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    New Astra with independent rear suspension?

    Found this on www.worldcarfans.com:

    According to a recent report, the new Astra is set to undergo a major diet as the hatchback will drop as much as 100 kg (220 lbs). The seventh generation could also bring an independent rear suspension which will replace the Watts link setup of the current model.
    It's new to me. Could it be true?

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    Re: New Astra with independent rear suspension?

    Sounds hot!



    PS Still waiting GM!


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    Re: New Astra with independent rear suspension?

    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyDiablo View Post
    Sounds hot!



    PS Still waiting GM!

    NOT waiting is what will have more of an impact on GM.

    When they see sales going towards sporty 2 - door hatchbacks offered here by their global rivals, then they'll get the message. Waiting will only feed their collective ego. They have been very disrespectful to many of their loyal fans and customers over the years by not offering various Cruze body styles in NA, not offering various Astra body styles here, and killing their Australian cars and operations, not to mention the ignition switch scandal.

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    Re: New Astra with independent rear suspension?

    Quote Originally Posted by spidge View Post
    NOT waiting is what will have more of an impact on GM.

    When they see sales going towards sporty 2 - door hatchbacks offered here by their global rivals, then they'll get the message. Waiting will only feed their collective ego. They have been very disrespectful to many of their loyal fans and customers over the years by not offering various Cruze body styles in NA, not offering various Astra body styles here, and killing their Australian cars and operations, not to mention the ignition switch scandal.
    Also: Blazer, El Camino, a true small pickup, a Camaro that's not 5,000lbs and $50k, ANY form of wagon, pretty much anything interesting under $40k.

    Anyways... really cool if this goes IRS. We won't see it and that's a shame.
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    Re: New Astra with independent rear suspension?

    Quote Originally Posted by spidge View Post
    NOT waiting is what will have more of an impact on GM.

    When they see sales going towards sporty 2 - door hatchbacks offered here by their global rivals, then they'll get the message. Waiting will only feed their collective ego. They have been very disrespectful to many of their loyal fans and customers over the years by not offering various Cruze body styles in NA, not offering various Astra body styles here, and killing their Australian cars and operations, not to mention the ignition switch scandal.
    One more example - Colorado/Canyon Diesel with 6 speed manual.
    If GM can do it for Aus, they can bloody ****ing well do it for North America.

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    Re: New Astra with independent rear suspension?

    Please not! The Watt link works absolutely perfect. With an independent suspension, the flex-fix bicycle rack will be history, as well as the 70 cm (28") trunk height of the Sports Tourer. For example: The Golf Variant has 61 cm (24").

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    Re: New Astra with independent rear suspension?

    watt link provides great performances in this astra and many people who tested astra said that it offers the same performances as independent rear suspension in golf, for example. only difference is that it weights much less, and needs less space... so if they want to lose some mass, why should they increase it with independent rear suspension, and then find other places to lose that even extra weight?! :S

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    Re: New Astra with independent rear suspension?

    Weight loss and independent suspension do not go together. You can save substantial weight with a beam axle. Thing is too, on a fwd there is not that much unsprung weight back there with no drive shaft or differential and half shafts.
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    thats great news. I was very impressed when i drove a rental Opel Astra in europe a few years ago. it was the generation that was offered here as the saturn astra. i thought it was much nicer than the cobalt that was offered in the US at the time.
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    Re: New Astra with independent rear suspension?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZR2BlaZeR2 View Post
    Also: Blazer, El Camino, a true small pickup, a Camaro that's not 5,000lbs and $50k, ANY form of wagon, pretty much anything interesting under $40k. Anyways... really cool if this goes IRS. We won't see it and that's a shame.
    Let me chime in here. No other gas engine options in Cruze over 138hp or a coupe. No AWD option in Impaled or Malibu, no 8 speed auto in ATS or XTS, why so long for V series in ATS ? Why not a more powerful engine option in Encore and now Trax. Why not more Crossovers at Caddy ? Why so long for flagship ? Did I miss any ?

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    Re: New Astra with independent rear suspension?

    suspensions aren't truly independent...the anti-roll bar is a third spring that ties wheels together.

    the twist beam axle is basically an anti-roll bar. It's perfectly fine in a consumer vehicle. It just doesn't have the adjustability that a SLA suspension does.

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    Re: New Astra with independent rear suspension?

    Whatever Opel does, please be as good as the new Golf.
    Straights are for fast cars, corners are for fast drivers.

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    Re: New Astra with independent rear suspension?

    Quote Originally Posted by KingElvis View Post
    Weight loss and independent suspension do not go together. You can save substantial weight with a beam axle. Thing is too, on a fwd there is not that much unsprung weight back there with no drive shaft or differential and half shafts.
    I agree. Makes me wonder if there will be an AWD offering in the works? The IRS makes more sense with some rear driving wheels in the mix. It still seems the Watts link setup would be best for most (non-performance, FWD) variants.

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    Re: New Astra with independent rear suspension?

    Quote Originally Posted by ogg vorbis View Post
    suspensions aren't truly independent...the anti-roll bar is a third spring that ties wheels together.

    the twist beam axle is basically an anti-roll bar. It's perfectly fine in a consumer vehicle. It just doesn't have the adjustability that a SLA suspension does.
    But hell-of-a-lot more independent than a beam axle as most of the force is transmitted to the body of the car than the opposite side suspension arm. I'd still much rather have the (mostly) independent suspension to the beam axle design.

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    Re: New Astra with independent rear suspension?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZR2BlaZeR2 View Post
    Also: Blazer, El Camino, a true small pickup, a Camaro that's not 5,000lbs and $50k, ANY form of wagon, pretty much anything interesting under $40k.

    Anyways... really cool if this goes IRS. We won't see it and that's a shame.
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    Let me chime in here. No other gas engine options in Cruze over 138hp or a coupe. No AWD option in Impaled or Malibu, no 8 speed auto in ATS or XTS, why so long for V series in ATS ? Why not a more powerful engine option in Encore and now Trax. Why not more Crossovers at Caddy ? Why so long for flagship ? Did I miss any ?
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