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    European Car Sales Up +2.9% but Opel Group sales slide below BMW & Mercedes

    EU Passenger car registrations: +8.2% over ten months; +2.9% in October
    In October 2015, the EU passenger car market continued its upward trend, despite a slower rate of increase (+2.9%), marking the 26th consecutive month of growth. Demand for new passenger cars saw momentum slowing down in all major markets. Registrations in Italy (+8.6%), Spain (+5.2%), Germany (+1.1%) and France (+1.0%) kept growing, even though less strong than in past months, while the UK market declined in October (‐1.1%). Across the region, new passenger car registrations totalled 1,104,868 units, also supported by growth in the EU’s new member states (EU‐12).

    General Motors Europe - Opel Group Sales -2.7%
    OPEL/VAUXHALL 67,385 ‐2.0%
    CHEVROLET 536 ‐87.1%
    Other GM (Cadillac) 14 ‐100.0%

    Not a very good month at all for Opel Group, its probably the lowest European chart positions l have ever seen General Motors - Opel Group sitting in Europe. UK car sales dropped for the first time in nearly four years after rising continually growing every month, one of the hardest hit was Vauxhall who's sales had one of the biggest drop-offs which may explain why Opel have slid down the EU sales charts, Chevrolet & its South Korean FWD cars are leaving Europe at the end of the next month. Cadillac are really needed in Europe they could become a massive multi-billion profit centre producers for General Motors Europe.

    l can see the continuous slow rise in RWD BMW & Mercedes Benz sales in Europe, but Caddy are still stuck on square one of the monopoly board with next to no dealerships being built on their EU big city centre squares, don't pass GO as they are still scratching their heads working out how to fit steering wheel to the right side of a car, with 14 sales wondering what comes first the chicken or the egg, Jeep know the answer.

    Fat Cats BMW & Mercedes Benz are licking up all the big billions of profits cream. the EU is the biggest most profitable car market on the planet, and the complacent Cadillac boss doe not want to make a dime from it, happy to statically sit on GO square for ever.

    European Car Sales October Up +2.9%

    1. VW Group 276,771 ‐0.5%
    2. PSA Peugeot/Citroen Group 117,785 ‐0.9%
    3. RENAULT Group 9.7 106,728 ‐0.7%
    4. FORD 77,272 75,958 +1.7%
    5. BMW Group 76,774 +13.4%
    6. FCA Group 69,125 +8.0%
    7. MERCEDES BENZ Group 68,096 +21.0%
    8. OPEL Group 67,454 ‐2.7%
    9. TOYOTA Group 45,391 ‐3.5%
    10. NISSAN 38,905 ‐3.8%
    11. HYUNDAI 36,794 +4.2%
    12. KIA 31,893 +8.5%
    13. VOLVO CAR CORP. 24,006 +6.2%
    14. MAZDA 16,383 +34.3%
    15. SUZUKI 14,555 +14.0%
    16. JAGUAR LAND ROVER Group 13,819 +32.5%
    17. MITSUBISHI 9,827+1.2%
    18. HONDA 9,709 +5.4%

    Its pretty obvious to see Mazda, Mercedes Benz, BMW & Jaguar/Land Rover Group done the best in Group sales.

    Brand wise Jeeps sales are out of control in Europe thanks to it boxy new Renegade that is a massive plus for Fiat/Chrysler Group. Porsche very much helped out VW with big sales rises, Mercedes Benz little Smart car sales had the biggest increase in the EU which helped them pass Opel Group, which is a bit of a worrying sign as the quality automakers have not started to move down yet with their new bottom of the range cars that will take on the Golf/Focus/Astra market yet. Honda are looking very sad sitting at the bottom of the EU car sales market.

    Just wondering, what caused the big slide in UK Vauxhall sales, nothing to do with a drop off of flaming hot Zafra's Rupert?

    Lets hope its just a blip last month.

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    Re: European Car Sales Up +2.9% but Opel Group sales slide below BMW & Mercedes

    The bad publicity over Zafira fires won't help Opel/Vauxhall sales especially as most car buyers know it's related to Astra - and since they still don't know why it's happening it won't help November sales either - the original BS line about only affecting cars fitted with non-GM repair parts has now been disproved, it's happening just as much where the relevant circuit board has been replaced by an Opel/Vauxhall dealer using genuine GM parts.

    Opel/Vauxhall volumes will inevitably shrink if the new models being announced are genuinely moving up market - Opel/Vauxhall needs to chase profitability, not volume.

    Give up on your dream of introducing US brands to Europe, it's not going to happen until Detroit does something fundamentally different to remove all the blinkers from it's marketing and engineering. Even if they did that now, it would take a couple of decades - so not in my lifetime!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    The bad publicity over Zafira fires won't help Opel/Vauxhall sales especially as most car buyers know it's related to Astra - and since they still don't know why it's happening it won't help November sales either - the original BS line about only affecting cars fitted with non-GM repair parts has now been disproved, it's happening just as much where the relevant circuit board has been replaced by an Opel/Vauxhall dealer using genuine GM parts.

    Opel/Vauxhall volumes will inevitably shrink if the new models being announced are genuinely moving up market - Opel/Vauxhall needs to chase profitability, not volume.

    Give up on your dream of introducing US brands to Europe, it's not going to happen until Detroit does something fundamentally different to remove all the blinkers from it's marketing and engineering. Even if they did that now, it would take a couple of decades - so not in my lifetime!
    Thanks for the information Rupert that much appreciated, let hope it's like you GM are choosing becoming more profitable over volume, nobody would be more pleased than me to see Opel sending a nice tidy profit back to GM in Detroit, chasing volume has not helped VW much.

    There is a lot of money to be made in the European luxury car market that is the biggest most profitable on the planet, yep it's a shame Cadillac are not a player, but in recent times brands like Dacia, Jeep, Kia & Hyundai are all relatively new brands that have massaged to get up to speed in the UK pretty quickly. Dacia probably had an easy lot of stepping stones a complete network of Renault dealerships to becoming established up to speed quick.

    But l have gotta agree with you on Cadillac will take a bit longer. Still l see those little changes happening in the background, at least their 1 UK dealer is located in a very upmarket part of the U.K. Virgina Water that's close to Windsor where the queen resides sometimes and near to Wentworth where PGA premier golf tournament is held.

    You can see those Cadillac seeds are being sown but they are still gonna need RHD to make them grow anything above 10 UK sales, and a lot more dealerships within Europe in the prime locations like Virgina Water where its potential buyers live.

    l think the still need another Cadillac dealer in West London, l hope you wrong Rupert and you do get to see them come on like Jeep have in Europe recently with smaller engines both gasoline/diesel LHD/RHD it's not rocket science, Cadillacs certainly drive/handle just as good as anything the European luxury market offers at the moment Rupert, you are probably right though Rupert in what you say, l can't disagree with that.
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    Re: European Car Sales Up +2.9% but Opel Group sales slide below BMW & Mercedes

    Wasn't Opel up recently? They can't get a break can't they?

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    Hyundai Group sold about the same number of vehicles as GM Europe. Yikes.

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    Re: European Car Sales Up +2.9% but Opel Group sales slide below BMW & Mercedes

    Quote Originally Posted by Amphibian View Post
    Hyundai Group sold about the same number of vehicles as GM Europe. Yikes.
    I think we can make some very safe assumptions as to which direction Hyundai/Kia sales are going, up or down.

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    Re: European Car Sales Up +2.9% but Opel Group sales slide below BMW & Mercedes

    VW group STILL double there next rival
    I wold say VOLUME is paying off its the cheating in the USA that will cost them

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    Thanks for the information Rupert that much appreciated, let hope it's like you GM are choosing becoming more profitable over volume, nobody would be more pleased than me to see Opel sending a nice tidy profit back to GM in Detroit, chasing volume has not helped VW much.

    There is a lot of money to be made in the European luxury car market that is the biggest most profitable on the planet, yep it's a shame Cadillac are not a player, but in recent times brands like Dacia, Jeep, Kia & Hyundai are all relatively new brands that have massaged to get up to speed in the UK pretty quickly. Dacia probably had an easy lot of stepping stones a complete network of Renault dealerships to becoming established up to speed quick.

    But l have gotta agree with you on Cadillac will take a bit longer. Still l see those little changes happening in the background, at least their 1 UK dealer is located in a very upmarket part of the U.K. Virgina Water that's close to Windsor where the queen resides sometimes and near to Wentworth where PGA premier golf tournament is held.

    You can see those Cadillac seeds are being sown but they are still gonna need RHD to make them grow anything above 10 UK sales, and a lot more dealerships within Europe in the prime locations like Virgina Water where its potential buyers live.

    l think the still need another Cadillac dealer in West London, l hope you wrong Rupert and you do get to see them come on like Jeep have in Europe recently with smaller engines both gasoline/diesel LHD/RHD it's not rocket science, Cadillacs certainly drive/handle just as good as anything the European luxury market offers at the moment Rupert, you are probably right though Rupert in what you say, l can't disagree with that.
    I think the big issue is the mindset in Detroit - the inability to understand the differences in Europe, not better or worse just different - other global makers have taken the trouble to understand each of the global markets so that they understand what each market needs/wants.

    Jeep is doing well in Europe since being owned by a European maker - there's a lesson there.

    As far as Cadillac is concerned in the UK with it's RHD market, it'll always be inconsequential until they start making big progress in mainland Europe where LHD is required - to gain European success they have to find out what it takes to succeed in Germany, not to match Audi/BMW/Mercedes-Benz who will always have home advantage there but at least to match Jaguar, Range Rover and Lexus who as just as foreign in Germany as Cadillac.

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    Re: European Car Sales Up +2.9% but Opel Group sales slide below BMW & Mercedes

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsmobile stopped View Post
    Thanks for the information Rupert that much appreciated, let hope it's like you GM are choosing becoming more profitable over volume, nobody would be more pleased than me to see Opel sending a nice tidy profit back to GM in Detroit, chasing volume has not helped VW much.

    There is a lot of money to be made in the European luxury car market that is the biggest most profitable on the planet, yep it's a shame Cadillac are not a player, but in recent times brands like Dacia, Jeep, Kia & Hyundai are all relatively new brands that have massaged to get up to speed in the UK pretty quickly. Dacia probably had an easy lot of stepping stones a complete network of Renault dealerships to becoming established up to speed quick.

    But l have gotta agree with you on Cadillac will take a bit longer. Still l see those little changes happening in the background, at least their 1 UK dealer is located in a very upmarket part of the U.K. Virgina Water that's close to Windsor where the queen resides sometimes and near to Wentworth where PGA premier golf tournament is held.

    You can see those Cadillac seeds are being sown but they are still gonna need RHD to make them grow anything above 10 UK sales, and a lot more dealerships within Europe in the prime locations like Virgina Water where its potential buyers live.

    l think the still need another Cadillac dealer in West London, l hope you wrong Rupert and you do get to see them come on like Jeep have in Europe recently with smaller engines both gasoline/diesel LHD/RHD it's not rocket science, Cadillacs certainly drive/handle just as good as anything the European luxury market offers at the moment Rupert, you are probably right though Rupert in what you say, l can't disagree with that.
    Windor itself is a quaint tourist town, but the surrounding 'burbs include Slough, the World's First Industrial Estate where the Mars Bar was born..... (I was born in Maidenhead, a scant 5 miles away from Buckinghuge Palace and Ascot racecourse). Plus, you're near Heathrow and can hear a plane take off about every 45 seconds during the day. Horse racecourses and airports usually bridge onto industrial/working class areas, and this is the case there.

    Cadillac needs to set up somewhere like Piccadilly or Knightsbridge - unfortunately, land immediately around the London CBD is going up in price astronomically, some figures say house-size blocks at 10,000 GBP a week! Fashionable A-listers might have a Bray-side crashpad on the Thames at Cookham down where Rolf Harris and fading Pommy rock stars hang, but they wouldn't travel there to buy a car or to service it, it's 40+ miles and about two hours in traffic from London. The primary premium dealers are probably located within 10 miles of SW1.
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    Re: European Car Sales Up +2.9% but Opel Group sales slide below BMW & Mercedes

    Quote Originally Posted by Amphibian View Post
    Hyundai Group sold about the same number of vehicles as GM Europe. Yikes.
    They make cars there, too. All the H-K wagons we see here in Oz come from Eastern Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    The bad publicity over Zafira fires won't help Opel/Vauxhall sales especially as most car buyers know it's related to Astra - and since they still don't know why it's happening it won't help November sales either - the original BS line about only affecting cars fitted with non-GM repair parts has now been disproved, it's happening just as much where the relevant circuit board has been replaced by an Opel/Vauxhall dealer using genuine GM parts.

    Opel/Vauxhall volumes will inevitably shrink if the new models being announced are genuinely moving up market - Opel/Vauxhall needs to chase profitability, not volume.
    I can tell you, Australian market volume is not gonna save their bacon. The Commodore was Holden's largest seller and sixth outright despite desultory advertising and no focus; quadrupled Falcon sales and 10 times Aurion sales (V6 Camry), the Caprice beat out the 300C in Large, the Barina Spark was second micro car and Captiva 5 the 3rd medium SUV, but no Opel-made models featured anywhere. They probably sold a couple hundred Astras of all types and a couple dozen Cascadas, probably almost no Insignias. Malibus - maybe some staff fleet.

    I saw a LHF Mokka 'Engineering vehicle' pulling into a golf course Sunday.
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    Wasn't Opel up recently? They can't get a break can't they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBDOS CV8 View Post
    They make cars there, too. All the H-K wagons we see here in Oz come from Eastern Europe.
    And also cater vehicles more specifically to Europe (ProCeed, Ceed, i40).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBDOS CV8 View Post
    They make cars there, too. All the H-K wagons we see here in Oz come from Eastern Europe.
    Your Santa Fe's and Sorento's will be Korea-built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amphibian View Post
    And also cater vehicles more specifically to Europe (ProCeed, Ceed, i40).
    Hyundai/Kia recognise that Europe wants/needs different cars to North America - so the i30/Cee'd share a platform with the Elantra/Forte and the i40 share with the Optima - and recognises the fact that the Santa Fe Sport is a large SUV in Europe as they can get 7 normal size Europeans in while the US can only get 5 Americans into their version.

    So there's no issue with Cruze/Verano sharing a platform with Astra or Malibu/Regal with Insignia - just don't expect to sell Chevrolet/Buick in Europe as, like Cadillac, they're too American for European tastes.
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