2018 Holden Commodore takes shape

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    2018 Holden Commodore takes shape

    2018 Holden Commodore takes shape
    No sedan, no V8 and smaller than the one it replaces;
    The first imported Commodore will represent the biggest change to Holden large cars in decades.

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    Due in 2018, the controversial new Commodore will for the first time drive the front wheels and not be offered with a V8 engine option or a sedan body style.

    The reduced length hasn't negatively impacted interior space because of improved packaging as a result of having the engine run across the engine bay (in an east-west configuration) rather than along the length of the car, as with every other Commodore. So the distance between front and rear occupants is just 1mm shorter than the outgoing car and rear knee room is claimed to be identical.

    But the narrower cabin means the Commodore is no longer as well suited to three adults across the rear, long a sales pitch of the big-car-for-a-big-country.

    And while front headroom is unchanged, rear headroom has shrunk 13mm, although Holden still claims it's more than adequate for tall Australians.

    The traditional Commodore sedan will be killed off, too, instead replaced with a five-door hatchback body style to be marketed as Sportback.

    There will also be a wagon, or Sportwagon, which is expected to spawn a Subaru Outback-style light duty off-roader.
    Under the bonnet is the choice of two 2.0-litre turbocharged four-cylinder engines – one petrol and one diesel – as well as a 3.6-litre V6.
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    Re: 2018 Holden Commodore takes shape

    Rebadged Opel Insignia aka Buick Regal.. that is all!
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    Re: 2018 Holden Commodore takes shape

    Quote Originally Posted by Watchdevil View Post
    Rebadged Opel Insignia aka Buick Regal.. that is all!
    I'm curious about this. If Aussies love large cars, and a RWD hairy chested large sedan isn't in the offering, wouldn't it make better sense to offer something the size of the Impala and LaCrosse as a "direct replacement" for the Commodore? Those offerings can be had with large 4-cylinders, turbo 4-cylinders, and V6s of all sizes. Plus, if the US market W-bodies could fit a V8 under the hood transversely (Pontiac Bonneville GXP, Pontiac Grand Prix GXP, Impala SS, etc), then I'm sure the same can be managed with the larger P2XX platform under the all new LaCrosse (though, as those W-body models had 303 hp V8s, I'm not sure if it's really necessary as GM's best V6s easily match that number now).

    Additionally, if gasoline prices and government mandates are a factor, then I would imagine that a "companion, mid-sized offering" the size of a Malibu/Insignia/Regal could compliment the lineup (a "Commandant"?). That would never directly replace the Commodore, but could easily help take the pressure off the larger car's mandate to be "all things to all people", and reserve a more hallowed spot for the range-topper.

    Just my two cents.

    As an aside, what is Ford's strategy as the Falcon sunsets? Is it to bring the Taurus over?
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    Re: 2018 Holden Commodore takes shape

    I got my popcorn ready...Cant wait to see the reaction.
    IF IT AINT RWD; AND A CHEVY I DONT RIDE IT!!!!!

    ALL CHEVY'S NEED TO BE RWD!!!!!

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    Re: 2018 Holden Commodore takes shape

    Quote Originally Posted by nadepalma View Post
    I'm curious about this. If Aussies love large cars, ...
    They don't. Take a look at Australia's Top 10 passenger cars. At the top of the list, No. 1, is the Toyota Corolla month in and month out. This compares to the United States where No. 1 is usually the Toyota Camry. The Commodore usually comes in at No. 6 and is the only large car among the Top 10.

    After the new Commodore goes on sale, the rebadged Vauxhall Insignia will be the largest non-premium new passenger car on the Australian road.

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    Re: 2018 Holden Commodore takes shape

    Quote Originally Posted by nadepalma View Post
    I'm curious about this. If Aussies love large cars, and a RWD hairy chested large sedan isn't in the offering, wouldn't it make better sense to offer something the size of the Impala and LaCrosse as a "direct replacement" for the Commodore? Those offerings can be had with large 4-cylinders, turbo 4-cylinders, and V6s of all sizes. Plus, if the US market W-bodies could fit a V8 under the hood transversely (Pontiac Bonneville GXP, Pontiac Grand Prix GXP, Impala SS, etc), then I'm sure the same can be managed with the larger P2XX platform under the all new LaCrosse (though, as those W-body models had 303 hp V8s, I'm not sure if it's really necessary as GM's best V6s easily match that number now).

    Additionally, if gasoline prices and government mandates are a factor, then I would imagine that a "companion, mid-sized offering" the size of a Malibu/Insignia/Regal could compliment the lineup (a "Commandant"?). That would never directly replace the Commodore, but could easily help take the pressure off the larger car's mandate to be "all things to all people", and reserve a more hallowed spot for the range-topper.

    Just my two cents.

    As an aside, what is Ford's strategy as the Falcon sunsets? Is it to bring the Taurus over?
    This is exactly what I thought. As for the idea of Aussies not loving big cars, if the old Commodore can rank #6 of 10, that hardly seems unloved. It sounds like opportunity to me to come in with something very different from a Camry, and more in keeping with the Commodore tradition (Impala). I think it's because Opel has to keep the factories humming in the worker's paradise of Germany.

    Don't know what Ford will do, but I'm sure it won't be a Taurus. Those barely sell in the US.

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    Re: 2018 Holden Commodore takes shape

    disappointed. no TTV6

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    Re: 2018 Holden Commodore takes shape

    Aussies still love Big Cars, they are just driving different styles of big cars. Hilux, Ranger, Colorado and the likes. Also I think a lot of Commodore buyers are waiting until towards the end to buy their last proper Commodore.

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    Re: 2018 Holden Commodore takes shape

    Quote Originally Posted by Ve2Thunder View Post
    Aussies still love Big Cars, they are just driving different styles of big cars.
    Actually during one of the first customer clinics following the VE Commodore launch - so many years ago - an overwhelming majority of customers indicated that they would prefer a slightly smaller car, and preferably a hatch with RWD or AWD.

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    Re: 2018 Holden Commodore takes shape

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMe View Post
    After the new Commodore goes on sale, the rebadged Vauxhall Insignia will be the largest non-premium new passenger car on the Australian road.
    After the new Commodore goes on sale, the rebadged Opel Insignia will be the largest non-premium new passenger car on the Australian road.

    Fixed that for you.

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    Re: 2018 Holden Commodore takes shape

    Quote Originally Posted by dslay04 View Post
    disappointed. no TTV6
    I'd lay money it will be an HSV
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watchdevil View Post
    Rebadged Opel Insignia aka Buick Regal.. that is all!
    Not so sure. There could be differences between the Holden/Vauxhall models and the Opel ones other than just RHD. I am not sure where I read it but I was under the impression that the Holden ones tested were only 60% of final spec whereas the Vauxhall the Pommie press tested was 90%. That may just be because of the time to freight the car to Australia though.
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    Re: 2018 Holden Commodore takes shape

    It will be interesting to see how it goes. I remember when Commodore first appeared it didn't sell well as it was basically an Opel Omega with a Senator front and there was a bailout whilst they re-engineered it to local conditions. I hope they learned from that and have properly engineered this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    I'd lay money it will be an HSV
    Seems logical, Opel needs an OPC and Buick needs a GS/GSX/GNX/Super variant

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