WSJ Dan Neil Review of the Cadillac ATS: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

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    WSJ Dan Neil Review of the Cadillac ATS: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

    In targeting the BMW 3-series, the development team for the new Cadillac ATS compact luxury sedan hit the Bavarian legend in all of its most tender spots. First, as anyone who has driven BMWs over time will tell you, the 3-series isn't quite as involving from the driver's seat as it used to be. I'm sorry, it's true. The cars have grown larger and heavier, with less feedback in the wheel and slightly more relaxed reflexes, a consequence of a campaign to dial up the refinement to win over more conquest sales and, the company freely admits, more women.

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    To do that, they went in the other direction, dialing up the sporting orneriness, and rather splendidly, too. The ATS's most notable dynamic quality is the sharp, almost twitchy responsiveness of its electric-power-assist steering. Grab a big handful of steering angle (with the ATS's racy, small-diameter steering wheel) and the car will give you a surprisingly strong yank in that direction. This thing changes direction like a Jack Russell terrier. Yes, the ATS feels a little busier at the wheel at highway speeds, and that won't appeal to everybody. Indeed, that seems to be the very point Cadillac is underlining.

    Once turned in, the ATS's tensed, tarpaulin-tight suspension and 50/50 weight distribution (abetted, in the case of our test car, with adaptive magnetic dampers) helps the ATS shoulder through corners with minimal body roll and with significant Teutonic grip. Cadillac spent a lot of time flogging the ATS around Germany's 14-mile Nürburgring test course, and the character of that track—with its multitude of midspeed, constant-radius turns—has shaped the car in recognizable ways. Nowhere is this car better than midcorner, in third gear and about 3,000 rpm, around 60 miles per hour, with lots of steering input and steady throttle, with the mechanical limited-slip rear end helping it to carve a perfect, tire-squawking parabola.

    Gradually and very progressively, the ATS—at least the one shod with our test car's 18-inch summer tires—surrenders front grip and pushes wide. When you breathe the throttle, the front tucks in and the rear steps out with a few degrees of sweet, pivoting, progressive oversteer. In some corners, the ATS feels more like a Lotus than a BMW.

    The ATS's ride does not have the fluid suppleness of the 3-series', and certainly nothing like the BMW's management of noise and vibration. The acoustics of the ATS's optional 3.6-liter, direct-injection V6 (267 pound-feet of torque) are particularly heinous. And yet, insofar as the ATS chassis guys privileged cornering poise and sporting feel over ride compliance, favoring emotion over the numb averaging that afflicts a lot of cars' handling, I second that emotion.

    The 3-series' other vulnerability is also a consequence of its incumbency: It is safe, almost rote, in the styling department. You can read the 3-series' conservative exterior design a number of ways. This is the most massive of BMW's mass-market cars, representing 30% of the company's sales volume world-wide. The car's global reach has, over time, imposed a rather bland internationalism on the styling, in order to appear to many markets and sensibilities, particularly China's.

    Cadillac's ATS doesn't have any such territory to defend, and as a consequence the ATS's design could be bolder, more expressive, more interesting. As 100 out of 100 surveyed will tell you, if you park an ATS next to the comparable 3-series, the BMW simply wilts, visually.

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    So the ATS is a little more venturesome in design than the BMW 3-series and, surprisingly, a little more fun to helm. Does that make it a better car? Well, no.

    The ATS's major flaw—and it's practically a black hole that devours the rest of the car—is the 3.6-liter's low-speed, low-rpm powertrain noise. Wow. That sounds terrible! The injectors rattle like a sewing machine that's lost a cog. As soon as you pick up the throttle and the revs rise above around four grand, the induction, valve-train and exhaust notes come together in a rising, melodic chirr, and at full throttle, shuffling up through the gears, the powertrain sounds amazing (0-60 mph in 5.4 seconds). But in a parking lot, it sounds like my old Chevette. Ai.

    So, not perfect, but again, compelling, daring and, here and there, outrageous. I like those words better than the musty old "Standard of the World" anyway. Cadillac is not the standard anymore. It's the challenger. And the ATS is, well, challenging.
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    Re: WSJ Dan Neil Review of the Cadillac ATS: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

    Now I've heard it all. What's next Dan?
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    Re: WSJ Dan Neil Review of the Cadillac ATS: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

    this review makes it sound like the ATS is a noisy uncomfortable sports car with little in the way of luxury
    I thought GM retuned the manifolds on the 3.6 to address noise complaints

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    Quote Originally Posted by richmond2000 View Post
    this review makes it sound like the ATS is a noisy uncomfortable sports car with little in the way of luxury
    I thought GM retuned the manifolds on the 3.6 to address noise complaints
    Noisy in the parking lot, he actually really liked it at higher speed. Why did we not hear similar complaints last time?

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    Re: WSJ Dan Neil Review of the Cadillac ATS: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

    Just goes to prove that these journalists will say ANYTHING to put this car down.

    I'm convinced it's a better car simply because of how hard people are having to fight to find bad things to say about it.
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    Re: WSJ Dan Neil Review of the Cadillac ATS: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

    I get a little skeptical when I've read a ton of reviews and not a single one has mentioned such noises.....

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    Re: WSJ Dan Neil Review of the Cadillac ATS: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

    Makes me wonder if these are pre production models that are being tested. Especially when one review isn't consistent with the rest.
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    Re: WSJ Dan Neil Review of the Cadillac ATS: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

    I drove an ATS with the 2.5 yesterday (because that's all the dealer had) and it was very noisy and very un-becoming of a Cadillac. It sounded like my friend's old Ford Escort from high school. I thought Cadillac had his noise and refinement thing sorted out?
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    the vid review was total bs...
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    Re: WSJ Dan Neil Review of the Cadillac ATS: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

    is this the first 3.6 review as I thought the 2.0T was making the rounds and I would have expected the 3.6 to be a more "refined/ LUX" ride over the more sporty 2.0T with 6 M/T

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    Re: WSJ Dan Neil Review of the Cadillac ATS: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

    I've driven GM's 3.6 in several applications, and my experience as far as noise and refinement mirror his.

    That said, I hate this tool and every review he does.

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    Re: WSJ Dan Neil Review of the Cadillac ATS: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

    So he praises about the car the entire review then says it's terrible at the end due to the sound of one of the engines? These reviewers are getting ridiculous.

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    Re: WSJ Dan Neil Review of the Cadillac ATS: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

    Quote Originally Posted by CamaroCrazy View Post
    I drove an ATS with the 2.5 yesterday (because that's all the dealer had) and it was very noisy and very un-becoming of a Cadillac. It sounded like my friend's old Ford Escort from high school. I thought Cadillac had his noise and refinement thing sorted out?
    Did it sound like a Cimarron???
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    Re: WSJ Dan Neil Review of the Cadillac ATS: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

    Isn't the noise due to the Direct Injection? Has this problem been solved by any manufacturer that uses DI?
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    Re: WSJ Dan Neil Review of the Cadillac ATS: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close

    I've never driven either of these cars, but I bet both of them are perfectly quiet at slow speeds. Somebody with more energy needs to compare this review with others. I bet other reviewers will comment on how quiet it is. I feel like I see that kind of thing frequently.

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