Why the New Cadillac Escalade and CT5-V Won't Get the Blackwing V-8

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    Why the New Cadillac Escalade and CT5-V Won't Get the Blackwing V-8

    Why the New Cadillac Escalade and CT5-V Won't Get the Blackwing V-8
    A source tells us about Cadillac's changing product plans, and the Blackwing V-8's more limited role
    Motor Trend
    Scott Evans
    Nov 25, 2019

    During the somewhat confusing rollout of the new Cadillac CT5-V and CT4-V in May, Cadillac clarified that the 355-hp CT5-V being shown was in fact a new mild V-Series trim and assured us a more track focused V-Series would be announced at a later date. We had hoped that would mean a CT5-V powered by Cadillac's exclusive Blackwing 4.2-liter twin-turbo V-8, but a senior GM source tells us that isn't happening due to cost-cutting at Cadillac, which has seen its sales fall in recent years.

    Indeed, both the CT5 and XT6 were originally intended to built on the CT6's Omega rear-wheel drive platform, which would've made installing the Blackwing engine fairly straightforward. Cost-cutting moved both the CT5 and XT6 to other platforms, leaving both the Blackwing and the CT6 sedan orphaned in the lineup.

    We're further pained to learn the Escalade won't get the Blackwing engine, again for cost reasons. We know GM is hard at work on a new independent rear suspension for the next-generation Escalade and its Chevrolet and GMC siblings, and apparently, it's sucking up all the funding.
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    Re: Why the New Cadillac Escalade and CT5-V Won't Get the Blackwing V-8

    I'm pretty sure that the CT5 BW will have the LT4 and the CT4 BW will have the ATS Vs 3.6TT. Which in either case isn't really a bad thing, but I must say its just disappointing to hear the news regarding Omega implementation...Looks like the spreadsheet won again.
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    Re: Why the New Cadillac Escalade and CT5-V Won't Get the Blackwing V-8

    "cost-cutting at Cadillac"


    *sigh* Might as well merge Buick and Caddy into one at this rate.
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    Re: Why the New Cadillac Escalade and CT5-V Won't Get the Blackwing V-8

    My initial take is this just sucks. Upon reflection, though, realistically just how many Blackwing Slade sales would there be at $120K+ a pop...or $95K for the CT5? Even if every Hollywood celebrity and all NBA players bought a Slade Blackwing, the sales would not offset development costs. Cadillac as a brand just does not draw that much water to justify the development expense. And that is the real shame of it all. Maybe JDN saw this coming and had a hissy fit believing he could resurrect the brand image. So we move on...to an electric future. Wowzer!!

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    Re: Why the New Cadillac Escalade and CT5-V Won't Get the Blackwing V-8

    I don't know GM nearly as well as Ford, but I suspect electrification might have a big part in this. You can certainly make faster things with electric so the Blackwing V8 may have arrived at the wrong time. Imagine an Escalade BEV that can rocket to 60 in 3.0 seconds...it's possible.

    Generally speaking, that engine seems to be a huge boondoggle and it's another example of GM pet projects that ignore more important priorities that can actually reach customers.
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    Re: Why the New Cadillac Escalade and CT5-V Won't Get the Blackwing V-8

    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    I don't know GM nearly as well as Ford, but I suspect electrification might have a big part in this. You can certainly make faster things with electric so the Blackwing V8 may have arrived at the wrong time. Imagine an Escalade BEV that can rocket to 60 in 3.0 seconds...it's possible.

    Generally speaking, that engine seems to be a huge boondoggle.
    I'd say Omega was a bigger boondoggle than the BW
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    Re: Why the New Cadillac Escalade and CT5-V Won't Get the Blackwing V-8

    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    I don't know GM nearly as well as Ford, but I suspect electrification might have a big part in this. You can certainly make faster things with electric so the Blackwing V8 may have arrived at the wrong time. Imagine an Escalade BEV that can rocket to 60 in 3.0 seconds...it's possible.

    Generally speaking, that engine seems to be a huge boondoggle and it's another example of GM pet projects that ignore more important priorities that can actually reach customers.
    A really good BEV needs a new platform or you have to much of compromise in performance, range and interior space. Maybe we will see a performance orientated PHEV?

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    Re: Why the New Cadillac Escalade and CT5-V Won't Get the Blackwing V-8

    Yep this is the GM we know and love. Nickle and dime everything. No ambition to be the best, no drive to stand out from the competition, happy to be mediocre and slowly cut product lines/ markets/ costs until it disappears into oblivion...

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    Re: Why the New Cadillac Escalade and CT5-V Won't Get the Blackwing V-8

    Can't wait to hear the spin on this.

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    Re: Why the New Cadillac Escalade and CT5-V Won't Get the Blackwing V-8

    Hopefully the move the next gen XT6 to Omega, along with merging Alpha and Omega into one platform.

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    Re: Why the New Cadillac Escalade and CT5-V Won't Get the Blackwing V-8

    in a nutshell it's because GM are dumb as a wheelbarrow full of rocks

    Spend billions on an engine and then don't use it

    Yeah that makes sense
    Who the hell approved this abomination? Hidden Content

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    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    in a nutshell it's because GM are dumb as a wheelbarrow full of rocks

    Spend billions on an engine and then don't use it

    Yeah that makes sense
    With electricatian coming I don't really blame them for not throwing more money at losing causes. What I don't understand is the Vette getting it's own DOHC twin turbo V8 rather than using the BW.
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    Re: Why the New Cadillac Escalade and CT5-V Won't Get the Blackwing V-8

    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    I don't know GM nearly as well as Ford, but I suspect electrification might have a big part in this. You can certainly make faster things with electric so the Blackwing V8 may have arrived at the wrong time. Imagine an Escalade BEV that can rocket to 60 in 3.0 seconds...it's possible.

    Generally speaking, that engine seems to be a huge boondoggle and it's another example of GM pet projects that ignore more important priorities that can actually reach customers.
    My initial reaction is that the report is wrong and the bean counters will want to recoup more of the development cost for the engine so I’d say it will be available in the Slade. But I can also see GM wanting to highlight the Slade EV as the top Slade choice. Also on a side note if the Vette gets a version of the blackwing then development cost was spread out.
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    Re: Why the New Cadillac Escalade and CT5-V Won't Get the Blackwing V-8

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    I'd say Omega was a bigger boondoggle than the BW
    Omega isn’t going anywhere it’s getting a name change. Also, if you remember the platform was the test bed for new manufacturing and materials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    I'd say Omega was a bigger boondoggle than the BW
    Omega isn’t going anywhere it’s getting a name change. Also, if you remember the platform was the test bed for new manufacturing and materials.
    "More powerful, quicker and outright faster than a comparable BMW, Cadillac’s newest model is the best reason to skip the letter M and head all the way down the alphabet to V."
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