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    Updated XT5 Doesn't Move the Needle

    Cadillac's Updated XT5 Doesn't Move the Needle
    For the 2020 model year, Cadillac's best-selling model gets a facelift and several refinements that do little to alter its back-marker status.
    By Annie White
    FEB 27, 2020
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    HIGHS: Smooth nine-speed transmission, V-6 model is quicker than before, handsome exterior design.
    LOWS: Occasionally jittery ride on big wheels, interior finish lags behind its rivals, poor real-world fuel economy.

    As Cadillac's best-selling vehicle, the XT5 pays a lot of the brand's bills, even if it isn't the most interesting model in the Cadillac showroom. A host of mid-cycle updates that further refine the XT5 should help maintain its status for the 2020 model year, regardless of whether or not they significantly alter the XT5's reserved character or elevate it from its position at the back of its segment. (They don’t.)

    We had a range-topping XT5 Sport model for this review. As standard, it includes General Motors' familiar 310-hp 3.6-liter V-6, adaptive dampers, and a trim-specific mesh grille and dark exterior trim. All-wheel drive is included here, but it's a $2000 option on the lower Luxury and Premium Luxury trim levels. The V-6 is also now a $1000 option on those lesser variants, as a new 237-hp turbocharged 2.0-liter inline-four base engine has been added for 2020. Along with some minor interior revisions and massaged front and rear fascias, a nine-speed automatic replaces the previous eight-speed unit as the sole transmission choice.

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    Re: Cadillac's Updated XT5 Doesn't Move the Needle

    The writer seems to think the vehicle is a "back-marker" in the midsize luxury market but if so - why does it sell so well?

    As an owner I can say it's far from a poor choice in the market segment.

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    Re: Cadillac's Updated XT5 Doesn't Move the Needle

    I really like the new face on the XT5. It looks great.

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    Re: Cadillac's Updated XT5 Doesn't Move the Needle

    Quote Originally Posted by kool1 View Post
    The writer seems to think the vehicle is a "back-marker" in the midsize luxury market but if so - why does it sell so well?
    I can answer that.. Because despite what the boys over at C&D and MT think.. the car market is comprised MOSTLY of people who aren't "enthusiasts" looking to blast from 0-60 in 2.9secs.

    Just this morning I found myself yet again.. riding behind and cursing out a driver of the "world's ultimate driving machine..." this time an X6.. doing about 55 in the fast lane and sippin coffee. She had to be about 60 years old, and I bet good money that racing and cornering was the last thing on her mind.. ever.

    Like the RX350/L.. the XT5/6 do exactly what C&D said here...

    As Cadillac's best-selling vehicle, the XT5 pays a lot of the brand's bills, even if it isn't the most interesting model in the Cadillac showroom.

    As an owner I can say it's far from a poor choice in the market segment.
    I have been told countless times here that your statement above.. means absolutely nothing versus the commentary that will soon follow about how Cadillac need to step it up.. and that the XT5/6 really are Buicks



    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    I really like the new face on the XT5. It looks great.
    I do too.. prefer it over the launch styling.. but still wish that they had of went ahead and updated the shape (along with the 4) to truly match the XT6 and Escalade for the sake of continuity
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    Re: Cadillac's Updated XT5 Doesn't Move the Needle

    Car and Driver, I guess it’s not from Germany...

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    Re: Cadillac's Updated XT5 Doesn't Move the Needle

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    I can answer that.. Because despite what the boys over at C&D and MT think.. the car market is comprised MOSTLY of people who aren't "enthusiasts" looking to blast from 0-60 in 2.9secs.

    Just this morning I found myself yet again.. riding behind and cursing out a driver of the "world's ultimate driving machine..." this time an X6.. doing about 55 in the fast lane and sippin coffee. She had to be about 60 years old, and I bet good money that racing and cornering was the last thing on her mind.. ever.

    Like the RX350/L.. the XT5/6 do exactly what C&D said here...
    Yup, I've said the same thing numerous times. 95%++ of buyers/drivers are NOT enthusiasts, carnuts, or hot dogs. I might add that 95% of us do NOT spend inordinate amounts of our free time fondling/complaining about the hard plastic panels that these cloistered auto journos seem so concerned about. Perhaps they're like the "news" people, they hang with others like themselves, they report stuff that only others like themselves are interested in/agree with, and otherwise are detached from reality and general interest and facts.

    And I too am shocked. SHOCKED! That someone 60 years old would be allowed out on the streets. Don't they have people with yooj butterfly nets and white coats out rounding up those folks so they can't do any damage to young bucks? I will contact my government officials about this.

    BTW FWIW, yesterday I observed a future member of Idiots Anonymous. Clearly her parents are folks who need that support group too, because she was about 10, had a smart phone, ear buds, and was staring at the screen as she rode her bicycle down the sidewalk.
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    Re: Cadillac's Updated XT5 Doesn't Move the Needle

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    BTW FWIW, yesterday I observed a future member of Idiots Anonymous. Clearly her parents are folks who need that support group too, because she was about 10, had a smart phone, ear buds, and was staring at the screen as she rode her bicycle down the sidewalk.
    Not unlike half of the people behind the wheel in this town, no need to waste brain cells on the task of actually driving when there's phone business OMG!! LOL!!! my BFF!!! LOL!!! to conduct.

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    Re: Cadillac's Updated XT5 Doesn't Move the Needle

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Yup, I've said the same thing numerous times. 95%++ of buyers/drivers are NOT enthusiasts, carnuts, or hot dogs. I might add that 95% of us do NOT spend inordinate amounts of our free time fondling/complaining about the hard plastic panels that these cloistered auto journos seem so concerned about. Perhaps they're like the "news" people, they hang with others like themselves, they report stuff that only others like themselves are interested in/agree with, and otherwise are detached from reality and general interest and facts.

    And I too am shocked. SHOCKED! That someone 60 years old would be allowed out on the streets. Don't they have people with yooj butterfly nets and white coats out rounding up those folks so they can't do any damage to young bucks? I will contact my government officials about this.

    BTW FWIW, yesterday I observed a future member of Idiots Anonymous. Clearly her parents are folks who need that support group too, because she was about 10, had a smart phone, ear buds, and was staring at the screen as she rode her bicycle down the sidewalk.
    Not unlike half of the people behind the wheel in this town, no need to waste brain cells on the task of actually driving when there's phone business OMG!! LOL!!! my BFF!!! LOL!!! to conduct.
    I think the dirty little secret is there aren't bad vehicles anymore, only different shades of good. The only thing left to pick on are pieces of plastic that no one touches on a regular basis. But, on the same token these are magazines geared toward the enthusiast, so I'm fine with them not loving a vehicle like this. However, I think they should point out when a car is not intended to be a sporty vehicle. If there were a magazine calls "Family Car & Truckster" they'd routinely trash Porsche, Corvette, Ferrari's... A car magazine should test what a vehicle is intended for, not what they wish it was.

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    Re: Cadillac's Updated XT5 Doesn't Move the Needle

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    A car magazine should test what a vehicle is intended for
    But that's what Car and Driver did with its evaluation of 2020 XT5. The last paragraph in the article linked in the OP sums it perfectly, and should elicit no disagreement from anyone here on GM Inside Forums:

    Quote Originally Posted by Car and Driver
    "While the bold, upscale design of the new 2021 Escalade may portend promising things for Cadillac, the XT5, even with its latest improvements, doesn't yet carry a similar degree of prestige and presence. But these modest improvements to the already well-packaged, if rather devoid of character, XT5 should only help it appeal to a larger group of buyers. Which means it will continue to be a moneymaker for the brand."
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    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    But that's what Car and Driver did with its evaluation of 2020 XT5. The last paragraph in the article linked in the OP sums it perfectly, and should elicit no disagreement from anyone here on GM Inside Forums:
    But on the same token, he shouldn't be kicking it because it isn't what he wants. The title "Doesn't Move the Needle" has negative connotations to it as does the overall tone of the article. You can clearly tell he isn't enthused.

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    Re: Cadillac's Updated XT5 Doesn't Move the Needle

    In fairness I guess Car and Driver is suppose to be an "enthusiast magazine".

    I know I'm biased but I still think the XT5 is the best looking mid-size on the road inside and out.


    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    But on the same token, he shouldn't be kicking it because it isn't what he wants. The title "Doesn't Move the Needle" has negative connotations to it as does the overall tone of the article. You can clearly tell he isn't enthused.
    May not move the needle for her but then qualify the personal opinion by saying something like "however most buyers will appreciate the upgrades and improvements".
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    Re: Cadillac's Updated XT5 Doesn't Move the Needle

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    I can answer that.. Because despite what the boys over at C&D and MT think.. the car market is comprised MOSTLY of people who aren't "enthusiasts"
    To go even further, the CUV market is driven by women who could give a flip about sport. "Where goes my purse go?" matters much more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    Just this morning I found myself yet again.. riding behind and cursing out a driver of the "world's ultimate driving machine..." this time an X6..
    I feel for You. Watching an X6 from the back in the morning must have ruined Your whole day.
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    Re: Cadillac's Updated XT5 Doesn't Move the Needle

    So we're back to hating C&D...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrambler View Post
    I feel for You. Watching an X6 from the back in the morning must have ruined Your whole day.
    Imagine if it was a sexy assed Malibu...he would've had to change his pants.

    Anyway...debunking this whole "sells well" narrative yet again. Cadillac operates as of 2018, 924 dealerships in the US...and in Q4 2019 sold 11,168 XT5s...that averages out to 4.02 Units per dealership per month. Surely a hot ticket, right?

    Constantly repeating "but it sells well" doesn't make it true. Yes, the XT5 is probably Cadillac's best seller, but if their overall sales aren't well to say the least, then is it a great seller?

    Also, why should we be happy that Cadillac is moving to the "middle tier" to move units anyway, shouldn't this be GMC/Buick's territory while Cadillac tried to be a luxury brand? What the XT4/5/6 show me is that Cadillac failed to market anything not named "Escalade" as a true luxury marque and fell back on selling legacy cars like the XTS, and the FWD XT utes. I'm of the opinion that all Cadillac's should be RWD based, you want FWD, buy a Buick/GMC or get rid of the two and let Cadillac be a middle tier brand w/ an Escalade as the cherry on top.

    Hate me or whatever, i really don't care...but all of this chest thumping over mediocrity IMO is hilarious.
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