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    Re: Setting the record straight on Cadillac

    Quote Originally Posted by dannyg View Post
    “Sedans will continue to play a critical role in the portfolio as an alternative for SUV rejectors and an entrance point into luxury for some. ”

    He just described me. I’m an SUV rejector and I would love an “entrance point into luxury.” I’m very hopeful for upcoming CT4.
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    Re: Setting the record straight on Cadillac

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    Not really, I don't see it as an opportunity to bash Reuss or GM other than if he is going to publish something like this he should take the time to make sure it is well written. Otherwise taking it and turning it into negativity is nothing but "glass half empty" thinking to fulfill desires of GM to fail.

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    Re: Setting the record straight on Cadillac

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    That's the REALLY crazy thing. Porsche is going to have what, 3 by the end of next year? BMW? Two? Tesla (yea, I know some don't count them) is looking like they'll have four possibly five if you count their industrial stuff.

    Cadillac has ZERO EVs. None, yet, it's all that we hear about. The "future". Well, you better start taking care of your current if you want that future.
    You are confoozing dreams and delusions with reality. Get on board The Dinosaur Train, dood!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kool1 View Post
    GM as a company keeps shutting down car production (and even Volt production) and telling the public / shareholders the future is EVs.

    All that I still see is Bolt and a lot of SUVs and pickups.
    You're just not reading it right. When he SAYS EV, he MEANS PUT. It's quite simple, rilly.

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    Yet.......Ruess just said that they're going to keep sedans as the entry point of Cadillac!!! Talk about an absolute mishmash of words being spoken. Who is in charge of marketing and public relations at GM?
    I will propose it for the 125th time: GM NEEDS ONE PR CZAR through whom ALL public statements, cobbled-together jigsaws like this, and yes, public speaking events of ANY sort, EVERYONE must go through the Czar including Mary and Mark. Luke and John too.

    That will never happen because these people are all way too smart to need someone to hlep make sense of their ramblings.

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    Poorly written, but just a fluff piece, not worth getting feathers in a ruffle....
    Yeah, except it's not very fluffy.
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    Re: Setting the record straight on Cadillac

    Quote Originally Posted by Murrow View Post
    After the latest atrocious service experience I had at my Cadillac dealer last week, I would say the brand still has a long, long, long way to go.


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    Re: Setting the record straight on Cadillac

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Not really, I don't see it as an opportunity to bash Reuss or GM other than if he is going to publish something like this he should take the time to make sure it is well written. Otherwise taking it and turning it into negativity is nothing but "glass half empty" thinking to fulfill desires of GM to fail.
    There aren't any desires for GM to fail, some of you constantly conflate criticism with wanting GM to fail - I have no such desire to see GM to fail. I just see what they're doing as largely inadequate and want them to do better. Like I said before, I get it you're a fan of GM....I consider myself a customer of GM, & a current Vette/former Camaro fan, I want the company I'm purchasing a commodity from to do better because it means a better end product for me, you on the other hand say everything GM does is great because you've been conditioned to just accept everything they do as great.

    "It's like you found a finger in your chili, but you still eat the chili because you told everybody you love chili — it's tremendous!" - Alec Baldwin, SNL

    IMO a bunch of yes men is how GM got into this mess they're in today...if you can take a good look at the below and tell me that it belongs in a $100,000 luxury sedan then I really don't know what to tell you except..."enjoy your finger chili"

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    Re: Setting the record straight on Cadillac

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    There aren't any desires for GM to fail, some of you constantly conflate criticism with wanting GM to fail - I have no such desire to see GM to fail. I just see what they're doing as largely inadequate and want them to do better. Like I said before, I get it you're a fan of GM....I consider myself a customer of GM, & a current Vette/former Camaro fan, I want the company I'm purchasing a commodity from to do better because it means a better end product for me, you on the other hand say everything GM does is great because you've been conditioned to just accept everything they do as great.

    "It's like you found a finger in your chili, but you still eat the chili because you told everybody you love chili — it's tremendous!" - Alec Baldwin, SNL

    IMO a bunch of yes men is how GM got into this mess they're in today...if you can take a good look at the below and tell me that it belongs in a $100,000 luxury sedan then I really don't know what to tell you except..."enjoy your finger chili"

    No, I certainly do see GM's flaws, I just don't dwell on them. For example, overall I think the upcoming CT5 looks good, one controversial kink in the C pillar isn't going to bring me to my knees like it seems to do for many on GMI. I focus on the 99.9% of the CT5 that I like and go with that. If they brought out something that looks like the Pontiac Aztec where 90% looks bad, then yes, I have a problem.

    My issue is you think only you and the other negative folks think only you see the flaws and that you are doing me a favor by showing me the true path. Like everyone else on GM, I have my own unique way of looking at GM - I am interested in their financial performance, understanding why they make certain decisions and their cars vs. the reality or imagined reality of the competition. Plus, my overall outlook on life is glass half full and I find the glass half empty view of many people to be discouraging.

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    Re: Setting the record straight on Cadillac

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    No, I certainly do see GM's flaws, I just don't dwell on them. My issue is you think only you and the other negative folks think only you see the flaws and that you are doing me a favor by showing me the true path. Like everyone else on GM, I have my own unique way of looking at GM - I am interested in their financial performance, understanding why they make certain decisions and their cars vs. the reality or imagined reality of the competition. Plus, my overall outlook on life is glass half full and I find the glass half empty view of many people to be discouraging.
    Glass half empty view of others...didn't you join in the other thread of making up a complaint about the C8 and then complained about the non existent negative coverage? Sounds kinda half empty-ish to me...you're just selective of where you apply that half empty outlook, you direct your half empty outlook towards the automotive media's possible negative coverage, I apply it to product.

    Anyway, as it sits right now, it's kinda hard to be a glass half full individual when it comes to GM when there's only one drop of water in the glass. As it sits right now, the C8 and XT4 are the only un-flawed products unveiled in the past few...everything else has been at best meh.
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    Re: Setting the record straight on Cadillac

    When you need to "set the record straight" after years and years or reinvention and investment in a brand, you are failing. So sad to see.

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    Re: Setting the record straight on Cadillac

    Quote Originally Posted by usa1 View Post
    When you need to "set the record straight" after years and years or reinvention and investment in a brand, you are failing. So sad to see.
    Perhaps the title of the article should've been "Spinning the Record on Cadillac"
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    Re: Setting the record straight on Cadillac

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    Re: Setting the record straight on Cadillac

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    Glass half empty view of others...didn't you join in the other thread of making up a complaint about the C8 and then complained about the non existent negative coverage? Sounds kinda half empty-ish to me...you're just selective of where you apply that half empty outlook, you direct your half empty outlook towards the automotive media's possible negative coverage, I apply it to product.

    Anyway, as it sits right now, it's kinda hard to be a glass half full individual when it comes to GM when there's only one drop of water in the glass. As it sits right now, the C8 and XT4 are the only un-flawed products unveiled in the past few...everything else has been at best meh.
    Good for you, just stop telling me your way of thinking is the right way of thinking. And yes, my expectations of GMI are "glass half empty" because the reality is that is what GMI is.

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    Re: Setting the record straight on Cadillac

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    Perhaps the title of the article should've been "Spinning the Record on Cadillac"
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    Many Cadillac fans, myself included, just want the needle on the record once again.

    Reuss' article makes it clear that a divorce between GM and Cadillac is best for both parties. The iconic Cadillac brand deserves much better than its current predicament being mismanaged by GM "lifers".
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    Re: Setting the record straight on Cadillac

    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
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    Many Cadillac fans, myself included, just want the needle on the record once again.

    Reuss' article makes it clear that a divorce between GM and Cadillac is best for both parties. The iconic Cadillac brand deserves much better than its current predicament being mismanaged by GM "lifers".
    The GM/Cadillac divorce is really what's best for everyone....GM is no longer interested in making Cadillac anything aspirational...they're just checking boxes in other segments and building Escalades. It's sad really, they have some tech/design capability out there that could be game changing if they were able to spare no expense, but it seems like corporate just can't keep they're Scrooge-y little hands out of it. Prime example...the CT6 would've been a knockout if it had an interior just competitive w/ the Germans, it didn't need to be segment leading but just competitive instead we got an interior that was designed by an excel spreadsheet with weird leather patches where some feature likely got cut out to meet a specific margin.
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    Re: Setting the record straight on Cadillac

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Good for you, just stop telling me your way of thinking is the right way of thinking. And yes, my expectations of GMI are "glass half empty" because the reality is that is what GMI is.
    I believe that it's important to be critical of GM when it's deserved
    and to praise them when they do good work like new Corvette.
    So not trying to jump on this exact conversation.....

    The reality is that GM is steering the narrative by talking about sales
    in terms of only retail customers instead of the whole segment.

    GM may or may not be right with their determination but let's at least
    try to find out the story behind the figures being presented to us.
    (and that goes to Ford as well and their rotten Explorer launch in July).

    I know that you respect my opinion and I will try to return that by
    (RMC and I) delivering as much detail as possible so we can at least
    discuss data and sales effect by the month (avoiding GM/Ford filtering)
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    Re: Setting the record straight on Cadillac

    To Mark Ruess and this article, Ahem-pure unadulterated rubbish.

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