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    Re: Johan de Nysschen: The Cadillac of Interviews

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathtoGMFordChrysler View Post
    Very insightful. Let's one know the complicated things that go on in a global auto corporation. Cadillac would thrive if it simply didn't have to be a part of GM's connection to the union. They stifle progress. It's what he was talking about when he said they had many things they wanted to do but couldn't due to costs. It's why we still have the Sonic vs the Cruze. The Sonic is under a "UAW Lite" contract. The Cruze wasn't. If GM built all Cadillacs outside of the unionized workers, still in the US, they could probably hire more people and increase features at the same time. Unions are so 20th century. And I mean early 20th century too.
    No, they wouldn't. They would keep the cars the same and pocket the change to impress Wall Street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DeathtoGMFordChrysler View Post
    Very insightful. Let's one know the complicated things that go on in a global auto corporation. Cadillac would thrive if it simply didn't have to be a part of GM's connection to the union. They stifle progress. It's what he was talking about when he said they had many things they wanted to do but couldn't due to costs. It's why we still have the Sonic vs the Cruze. The Sonic is under a "UAW Lite" contract. The Cruze wasn't. If GM built all Cadillacs outside of the unionized workers, still in the US, they could probably hire more people and increase features at the same time. Unions are so 20th century. And I mean early 20th century too.
    No, they wouldn't. They would keep the cars the same and pocket the change to impress Wall Street.
    Looking at GM, I don't think I can agree. They went into bankruptcy, not because of lack of sales, but because of extreme payroll and legacy cost obligations. At the time they were still #1 in the world. A hollow victory when # 2 and #3 were making bookoo profits. Why I wonder. Could it have been that they were either not obligated to 100 years of costs, with one not only partially subsidized by the German government, but also owned by part of the German government as well. The other, to this day, is seriously helped by the Japanese government, not to mention the real issue of currency manipulation. The best thing for car enthusiasts would be for GM not to be in league with the UAW.

    By the way. Did anyone catch what he said about Fiat? Their model is really on borrowed time. One liberal presidential election away from Cafe laws pummeling their two trick pony, ponies, MOPonies lol

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    Re: Johan de Nysschen: The Cadillac of Interviews

    This quote stands out "Engines were generically developed with the Chevy brand in mind and, then, “Okay, well, yeah, it’s good enough for Cadillac.”" and is why I have always stated that Cadillac had to use GM's excellent LS V8 in its products and did not need a "All New" DOHC TT V8. What Cadillac needed to do was take the already excellent OHV LS V8 and modify it to "Cadillac Standards" and could create it's own "Exclusive" TT LS V8 where the rest of GM used the S/C LS V8. There is no reason that an OHV V8 cannot have premium NVH characteristics as both Rolls Royce and Bentley have used them for decades without question.

    When you consider aftermarket tuners can take the current LS V8, slap Twin Turbos on it for 1,000 to 1,500 HP and still deliver a reliable 20+MPG in a Tahoe, there is no reason that GM's excellent powertrain engineers could not develop one the could do the same (or much better) and create a unique to Cadillac displacement LS based OHV V8 in NA and TT form that would be superior to any of it's competitors at a far lower cost that would easily outperform them in both performance and real world MPG. Of course GM chose to spend a small fortune on a completely new engine that was not required and was valuable capitol that should have been spent on interiors and technological advancements.

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    Re: Johan de Nysschen: The Cadillac of Interviews

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    This story makes JDN sound human, and intelligent............

    Why didn't GM allow that to happen when he was working for GM?

    I'm sure it is a bit of "humble pie" but the fact that GM was so hell-bent on impressing Wall Street, the free flowing thought and candor was never allowed to happen, sad.
    It did happen if you paid attention, but he was working as an underling to a company run by idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SierraGS View Post
    This quote stands out "Engines were generically developed with the Chevy brand in mind and, then, “Okay, well, yeah, it’s good enough for Cadillac.”" and is why I have always stated that Cadillac had to use GM's excellent LS V8 in its products and did not need a "All New" DOHC TT V8. What Cadillac needed to do was take the already excellent OHV LS V8 and modify it to "Cadillac Standards" and could create it's own "Exclusive" TT LS V8 where the rest of GM used the S/C LS V8. There is no reason that an OHV V8 cannot have premium NVH characteristics as both Rolls Royce and Bentley have used them for decades without question.

    When you consider aftermarket tuners can take the current LS V8, slap Twin Turbos on it for 1,000 to 1,500 HP and still deliver a reliable 20+MPG in a Tahoe, there is no reason that GM's excellent powertrain engineers could not develop one the could do the same (or much better) and create a unique to Cadillac displacement LS based OHV V8 in NA and TT form that would be superior to any of it's competitors at a far lower cost that would easily outperform them in both performance and real world MPG. Of course GM chose to spend a small fortune on a completely new engine that was not required and was valuable capitol that should have been spent on interiors and technological advancements.
    But what you are saying is the direct opposite of JDN. You are condoning using Chevy engines. I'm no engineer, but I interpret what JDN is saying that the basic architecture of a Chevy engine allows for more NVH than the basic structure of a true luxury engine. No matter what you do to that Chevy engine it will not rival the "built from the ground up" luxury engine. The 2.0T in my 2013 ATS is a perfect example. While it has the power and Cadillac was able to make it a little smoother (and they further improved it for 2015), it still is a far cry from a BMW 2.0T. No matter what costly changes they make to that engine it will never rival BMW's 2.0T, the heart of the 2.0T in my 2013 beats to the drum of Chevy and the basic architecture allows for too much NVH.

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    Re: Johan de Nysschen: The Cadillac of Interviews

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathtoGMFordChrysler View Post
    Looking at GM, I don't think I can agree. They went into bankruptcy, not because of lack of sales, but because of extreme payroll and legacy cost obligations. At the time they were still #1 in the world. A hollow victory when # 2 and #3 were making bookoo profits. Why I wonder. Could it have been that they were either not obligated to 100 years of costs, with one not only partially subsidized by the German government, but also owned by part of the German government as well. The other, to this day, is seriously helped by the Japanese government, not to mention the real issue of currency manipulation. The best thing for car enthusiasts would be for GM not to be in league with the UAW.

    By the way. Did anyone catch what he said about Fiat? Their model is really on borrowed time. One liberal presidential election away from Cafe laws pummeling their two trick pony, ponies, MOPonies lol
    They went bankrupt for a lot of reasons and a lot of those reasons didn't disappear during the "bankruptcy" as well.

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    Re: Johan de Nysschen: The Cadillac of Interviews

    Quote Originally Posted by DeathtoGMFordChrysler View Post
    Looking at GM, I don't think I can agree. They went into bankruptcy, not because of lack of sales, but because of extreme payroll and legacy cost obligations. At the time they were still #1 in the world. A hollow victory when # 2 and #3 were making bookoo profits. Why I wonder. Could it have been that they were either not obligated to 100 years of costs, with one not only partially subsidized by the German government, but also owned by part of the German government as well. The other, to this day, is seriously helped by the Japanese government, not to mention the real issue of currency manipulation. The best thing for car enthusiasts would be for GM not to be in league with the UAW.

    By the way. Did anyone catch what he said about Fiat? Their model is really on borrowed time. One liberal presidential election away from Cafe laws pummeling their two trick pony, ponies, MOPonies lol
    Yes, I did read that about FCA. We all knew that (and I hadn't forgotten), but the profits they've been generating have allowed others to forget. They have not been investing in the future, and that point was been brought up time and time again, especially when Marchionne was trying to merge with GM. They are doing some really cool stuff today at the expense of tomorrow. Of course that is JDN's opinion, but I do agree with it.

    I love that GM can now stand on its own two feet and generate respectable profits. I love that they are investing in the future. This is what a company should be doing. I don't love that they don't take Cadillac (and same comment to Buick and GMC) to 10/10ths, they get it to 8/10ths and say good enough. But I still have hope based on JDN's comment I quoted in my earlier post, that the goal was to get Cadillac into mainstream luxury for today, which I think they've done. That goal shines through in the XT6 - it is mainstream and nothing more. My optimism makes me read into that comment that the future gens will delve into the upper levels of luxury.

    What I'd really love is when MB decides to step down that they put JDN in her role. I think she's done a tremendous job getting the dysfunctional GM to where it is today, but I think he has the vision to further change GM's structure to where it needs to be.

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    But what you are saying is the direct opposite of JDN. You are condoning using Chevy engines. I'm no engineer, but I interpret what JDN is saying that the basic architecture of a Chevy engine allows for more NVH than the basic structure of a true luxury engine. No matter what you do to that Chevy engine it will not rival the "built from the ground up" luxury engine. The 2.0T in my 2013 ATS is a perfect example. While it has the power and Cadillac was able to make it a little smoother (and they further improved it for 2015), it still is a far cry from a BMW 2.0T. No matter what costly changes they make to that engine it will never rival BMW's 2.0T, the heart of the 2.0T in my 2013 beats to the drum of Chevy and the basic architecture allows for too much NVH.
    Obviously you are not an engineer.

    Using the base engine design saves a lot of cash and any updates that Cadillac would make on the LS design detaches Chevrolet from the design. Most of the updates would be in the valve train, fuel injection and programming that do not require a "clean sheet" change of the block which would only require some stiffening and costs would be offset by offering the block for GM performance applications and would be useful for Truck applications.

    Bottomline is that would have improved the LS V8 for both Cadillac usage as well as made it a better performer in the Camaro and Corvette as well as a more durable engine for HD usage AND been able to offer it for the highly lucrative Aftermarket Performance market with the introduction of a GM engineered Twin Turbo variation. GM would have made Millions of dollars (if not a Billion+) in profits for decades, just in the aftermarket.
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    Re: Johan de Nysschen: The Cadillac of Interviews

    Further confirmation that Cadillac is doomed. GM got tired of Johan telling them how stupid they were on a daily basis and they canned him after they used him up long enough to learn the blueprint. He was a great scapegoat for GM.

    Nothing has changed but the weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SierraGS View Post
    Obviously you are not an engineer.

    Using the base engine design saves a lot of cash and any updates that Cadillac would make on the LS design detaches Chevrolet from the design. Most of the updates would be in the valve train, fuel injection and programming that do not require a "clean sheet" change of the block which would only require some stiffening and costs would be offset by offering the block for GM performance applications and would be useful for Truck applications.

    Bottomline is that would have improved the LS V8 for both Cadillac usage as well as made it a better performer in the Camaro and Corvette as well as a more durable engine for HD usage AND been able to offer it for the highly lucrative Aftermarket Performance market with the introduction of a GM engineered Twin Turbo variation. GM would have made Millions of dollars (if not a Billion+) in profits for decades, just in the aftermarket.
    I disagree. No matter what you do, a small block will always be a Chevy engine, even if you get it 95% as smooth as a true luxury engine. Small block = Chevy. Car magazines and reviewers will always bring up it is a Chevy engine, just like they don't let anyone forget about the Cimmaron. And yes, thanks for agreeing that I'm not an engineer, but I don't think there is anything they can do that will make my 2.0T BMW smooth.

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    Re: Johan de Nysschen: The Cadillac of Interviews

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    But, but, but......I though JdN was this arrogant a-hole who hated Detroit and wanted nothing to do with it? #smokeandmirrors.............
    That is what we were led to believe, he even stated that; in-part the reason there was so much animosity, both internally and externally. It basically sabotaged him at/near his introduction.

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    Re: Johan de Nysschen: The Cadillac of Interviews

    Didn’t I read somewhere that Caddy has a new, dedicated factory in China (of course)? Was JdN involved? I assume Caddy quality standards could be implemented there at least. How about a dedicated factory in the USA even if it doesn’t make every model? Something you could point to and say “that’s Cadillac”, like the Vette factory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    But what you are saying is the direct opposite of JDN. You are condoning using Chevy engines. I'm no engineer, but I interpret what JDN is saying that the basic architecture of a Chevy engine allows for more NVH than the basic structure of a true luxury engine. No matter what you do to that Chevy engine it will not rival the "built from the ground up" luxury engine. The 2.0T in my 2013 ATS is a perfect example. While it has the power and Cadillac was able to make it a little smoother (and they further improved it for 2015), it still is a far cry from a BMW 2.0T. No matter what costly changes they make to that engine it will never rival BMW's 2.0T, the heart of the 2.0T in my 2013 beats to the drum of Chevy and the basic architecture allows for too much NVH.
    Quote Originally Posted by SierraGS View Post
    Obviously you are not an engineer.

    Using the base engine design saves a lot of cash and any updates that Cadillac would make on the LS design detaches Chevrolet from the design. Most of the updates would be in the valve train, fuel injection and programming that do not require a "clean sheet" change of the block which would only require some stiffening and costs would be offset by offering the block for GM performance applications and would be useful for Truck applications.

    Bottomline is that would have improved the LS V8 for both Cadillac usage as well as made it a better performer in the Camaro and Corvette as well as a more durable engine for HD usage AND been able to offer it for the highly lucrative Aftermarket Performance market with the introduction of a GM engineered Twin Turbo variation. GM would have made Millions of dollars (if not a Billion+) in profits for decades, just in the aftermarket.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    I disagree. No matter what you do, a small block will always be a Chevy engine, even if you get it 95% as smooth as a true luxury engine. Small block = Chevy. Car magazines and reviewers will always bring up it is a Chevy engine, just like they don't let anyone forget about the Cimmaron. And yes, thanks for agreeing that I'm not an engineer, but I don't think there is anything they can do that will make my 2.0T BMW smooth.


    GTP - If I'm reading you right, you are talking on a perception/psychological basis; on that regard, no you can't put the genie back in the bottle, Sierra is speaking on the physical aspects.

    The fix there is design for Cadillac and use on the others down the road?..............

    I don't follow all the iterations, but the HF V6 was originally a Caddy mill, correct? Some ~15 years has passed it is watered-down now.
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    Re: Johan de Nysschen: The Cadillac of Interviews

    This actually makes GM sound less chaotic than initially believed.

    They're sticking to proven processes that focus on the bottom line, understandable for an industrial icon that very recently collapsed. But of course they risk becoming Nissan, a producer of soulless turds built to a low standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathtoGMFordChrysler View Post
    Looking at GM, I don't think I can agree. They went into bankruptcy, not because of lack of sales, but because of extreme payroll and legacy cost obligations. At the time they were still #1 in the world. A hollow victory when # 2 and #3 were making bookoo profits. Why I wonder. Could it have been that they were either not obligated to 100 years of costs, with one not only partially subsidized by the German government, but also owned by part of the German government as well. The other, to this day, is seriously helped by the Japanese government, not to mention the real issue of currency manipulation. The best thing for car enthusiasts would be for GM not to be in league with the UAW.

    By the way. Did anyone catch what he said about Fiat? Their model is really on borrowed time. One liberal presidential election away from Cafe laws pummeling their two trick pony, ponies, MOPonies lol
    Yes, I did read that about FCA. We all knew that (and I hadn't forgotten), but the profits they've been generating have allowed others to forget. They have not been investing in the future, and that point was been brought up time and time again, especially when Marchionne was trying to merge with GM. They are doing some really cool stuff today at the expense of tomorrow. Of course that is JDN's opinion, but I do agree with it.

    I love that GM can now stand on its own two feet and generate respectable profits. I love that they are investing in the future. This is what a company should be doing. I don't love that they don't take Cadillac (and same comment to Buick and GMC) to 10/10ths, they get it to 8/10ths and say good enough. But I still have hope based on JDN's comment I quoted in my earlier post, that the goal was to get Cadillac into mainstream luxury for today, which I think they've done. That goal shines through in the XT6 - it is mainstream and nothing more. My optimism makes me read into that comment that the future gens will delve into the upper levels of luxury.

    What I'd really love is when MB decides to step down that they put JDN in her role. I think she's done a tremendous job getting the dysfunctional GM to where it is today, but I think he has the vision to further change GM's structure to where it needs to be.
    You think that GM would have a foreign CEO?

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