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    Hotter Cadillac CT4-V Prototype Spied Testing at GM's Proving Grounds

    Here's the V you were probably expecting before.
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    Cadillac already teased us once with the hotter CT4-V and CT5-V at the Belle Isle Grand Prix, but these photos are still the best look yet at what's next for the Cadillac V-Series. The car we're looking at in heavy camouflage here is a high-performance CT4, but we don't really have a name to call it at this point. Cadillac hasn't said, so it could be anything. We'll just refer to it as the faster V, as it's certainly looking a bit more racy than the warmed-over CT4-V already revealed.

    While the styling isn't drastically different from the CT4-V already out there, the front intake and openings look deeper and more aggressive. The middle, raised section of the hood is a little taller and the whole front-end design looks a lot like the one teased in Belle Isle. This vehicle even appears to have the same mirror design as the faster V.

    The side sills, quad exhaust tips and wide rear tires lend this prototype an aggressive look, but we did note that it doesn't have the big ducktail spoiler we saw teased previously. Maybe Cadillac is trying to keep a low profile while testing. A keen eye will notice a wild apparatus attached to the front, which would serve as a great jousting pole if you were into that kind of thing.

    We don't know exactly when Cadillac plans to introduce the faster V machines, but we wouldn't doubt if it happened before the year was out. The ATS-V and CTS-V didn't look wholly different than the pedestrian versions of those cars, and this prototype indicates Caddy may follow a similar pattern this time around. All will be explained from GM soon, but for now, we wait.
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    LOL at all the FORD fans in this thread thinking they got a one up. This is the Yukon Denali and trust me it's going to blow away the Navigator. Escalade is gunning for RR/Bentley level of interiors and beyond. I've talked to someone about this on another site that confirmed it Navigator isn't even being bench-marked at Cadillac too low for them.
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    Re: Hotter Cadillac CT4-V Prototype Spied Testing at GM's Proving Grounds

    Before anybody decides to rip me a new one, let me preface:

    I have zero doubt in my mind at all this car will drive great and handle extremely well at 10/10ths around a track.

    Great, now that that's out of the way... I'm not sold on the idea of the V-Series brand being *******ized and "Blackwing" or whatever horrible name they're going to slap on this car being a suitable replacement is a smart move. V had pull, and was respected by pretty much everybody as equal to M, AMG, etc. To throw away 15+ years of hard work, great cars, and solid branding to cheaply prop up sales in the mean time by devaluing a once coveted badge that's literally the last good thing besides Escalade the brand has going for it just isn't a good idea, sorry.

    The reason why this car will fail in the marketplace won't be price, design, interior, or the way it drives. It'll be the name, and it'll be the flawed, ass backwards logic that brought the failure onto it. Too bad. Performance Cadillacs are some of the best driving cars in the world.
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    LOL at all the FORD fans in this thread thinking they got a one up. This is the Yukon Denali and trust me it's going to blow away the Navigator. Escalade is gunning for RR/Bentley level of interiors and beyond. I've talked to someone about this on another site that confirmed it Navigator isn't even being bench-marked at Cadillac too low for them.
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    Re: Hotter Cadillac CT4-V Prototype Spied Testing at GM's Proving Grounds

    @Envoy4Life: You may be right, but give it a chance.
    Mercedes has multiple AMG versions now with different levels of performance:
    C-class and GLC Coupe: AMG 43, 63 and 63 S
    GLE Coupe: AMG 43 and 63 S
    E-class: AMG 53 and 63 S
    S-class: AMG S 63 and S 65

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    Re: Hotter Cadillac CT4-V Prototype Spied Testing at GM's Proving Grounds

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert G View Post
    @Envoy4Life: You may be right, but give it a chance.
    Mercedes has multiple AMG versions now with different levels of performance:
    C-class and GLC Coupe: AMG 43, 63 and 63 S
    GLE Coupe: AMG 43 and 63 S
    E-class: AMG 53 and 63 S
    S-class: AMG S 63 and S 65
    The difference is - and I could be wrong about this - but I'm pretty sure they kept the level of performance of that "base" AMG model the same as previous AMG models, but added models ON TOP of the AMG line, pushing the performance higher.

    The Cadillac parallel would be CT5-V being equivalent to CTS-V on the performance spectrum, but adding a CT5-V"+" on top of that model. Instead, we're seeing CT5-V essentially replacing V-sport (a performance dropoff from previous V levels), with this new trim filling in where V left off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert G View Post
    @Envoy4Life: You may be right, but give it a chance.
    Mercedes has multiple AMG versions now with different levels of performance:
    C-class and GLC Coupe: AMG 43, 63 and 63 S
    GLE Coupe: AMG 43 and 63 S
    E-class: AMG 53 and 63 S
    S-class: AMG S 63 and S 65
    You're absolutely right. For the record, I was also against MB using the full AMG badge for the C43 when it came out. S63 and S65 I think I'm fine with, as the S Classes with the TTV8 and TTV12 are both worthy of that badge. But as a whole, I think exclusive badges like M, AMG, and V should be reserved for true top-dog cars, but things like M Sport, V Sport, etc. are a great idea, because you can say they were worked on by the M/V/AMG division, but aren't worthy of the full badge. Cadillac had it right with the CTS V Sport, but they 86'd it because they have the attention span of a gnat and can't figure out that building a successful sub-brand doesn't happen overnight.

    But my biggest issue with this is that Cadillac literally had the solution right under their noses with the "V Sport" badge. The CT4-V and CT5-Vs should have been CT4 V Sport and CT5 V Sport. It would have made perfect sense, and I don't think anybody would have complained.

    But instead, we now have a Cadillac V-Series car powered by a truck engine.

    Quote Originally Posted by rmc523 View Post
    The difference is - and I could be wrong about this - but I'm pretty sure they kept the level of performance of that "base" AMG model the same as previous AMG models, but added models ON TOP of the AMG line, pushing the performance higher.

    The Cadillac parallel would be CT5-V being equivalent to CTS-V on the performance spectrum, but adding a CT5-V"+" on top of that model. Instead, we're seeing CT5-V essentially replacing V-sport (a performance dropoff from previous V levels), with this new trim filling in where V left off.
    C43 is far less capable than the LG C63.
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    LOL at all the FORD fans in this thread thinking they got a one up. This is the Yukon Denali and trust me it's going to blow away the Navigator. Escalade is gunning for RR/Bentley level of interiors and beyond. I've talked to someone about this on another site that confirmed it Navigator isn't even being bench-marked at Cadillac too low for them.
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    Do you know why it's called V Series?
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    Re: Hotter Cadillac CT4-V Prototype Spied Testing at GM's Proving Grounds

    According to reports, Reuss has been "pleasuring" himself just thinking about the Blackwing name. So you might as well try to get used to it. Unless someone with more sense prevails.
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    Re: Hotter Cadillac CT4-V Prototype Spied Testing at GM's Proving Grounds

    Quote Originally Posted by Envoy4Life View Post
    Before anybody decides to rip me a new one, let me preface:

    I have zero doubt in my mind at all this car will drive great and handle extremely well at 10/10ths around a track.

    Great, now that that's out of the way... I'm not sold on the idea of the V-Series brand being *******ized and "Blackwing" or whatever horrible name they're going to slap on this car being a suitable replacement is a smart move. V had pull, and was respected by pretty much everybody as equal to M, AMG, etc. To throw away 15+ years of hard work, great cars, and solid branding to cheaply prop up sales in the mean time by devaluing a once coveted badge that's literally the last good thing besides Escalade the brand has going for it just isn't a good idea, sorry.

    The reason why this car will fail in the marketplace won't be price, design, interior, or the way it drives. It'll be the name, and it'll be the flawed, ass backwards logic that brought the failure onto it. Too bad. Performance Cadillacs are some of the best driving cars in the world.
    No, the reason this could fail, and the entire CT4 lineup could fail, is GM's abysmal marketing.

    The name doesn't matter, based on "name enthusiasm" the Continental should be a roaring success. It isn't. The vehicle has to be good and the marketing right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Envoy4Life View Post
    You're absolutely right. For the record, I was also against MB using the full AMG badge for the C43 when it came out. S63 and S65 I think I'm fine with, as the S Classes with the TTV8 and TTV12 are both worthy of that badge. But as a whole, I think exclusive badges like M, AMG, and V should be reserved for true top-dog cars, but things like M Sport, V Sport, etc. are a great idea, because you can say they were worked on by the M/V/AMG division, but aren't worthy of the full badge. Cadillac had it right with the CTS V Sport, but they 86'd it because they have the attention span of a gnat and can't figure out that building a successful sub-brand doesn't happen overnight.

    But my biggest issue with this is that Cadillac literally had the solution right under their noses with the "V Sport" badge. The CT4-V and CT5-Vs should have been CT4 V Sport and CT5 V Sport. It would have made perfect sense, and I don't think anybody would have complained.

    But instead, we now have a Cadillac V-Series car powered by a truck engine.



    C43 is far less capable than the LG C63.
    I stand corrected. I couldn't remember what the previous ones were called. I'm right there with you on the simple solution they ignored. The new V's should've just been V-sports and that's it. Then these coming "Blackwing" models, V's.

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    Kill the Camaro, but flush billions down the toilet for Cadillac...GREAT JOB GM!.
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    That CT4 has pretty big tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    No, the reason this could fail, and the entire CT4 lineup could fail, is GM's abysmal marketing.

    The name doesn't matter, based on "name enthusiasm" the Continental should be a roaring success. It isn't. The vehicle has to be good and the marketing right.
    More than that, people have to want to buy them, the truth is that great cars can sit like wall flowers on a dealers lot through no fault of their own.

    What I'm saying is that GM could be going to all this effort with CT4 and CT5 but still see very little interest from buyers - that does not mean that these cars are terrible or deficient in any way.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert G View Post
    @Envoy4Life: You may be right, but give it a chance.
    Mercedes has multiple AMG versions now with different levels of performance:
    C-class and GLC Coupe: AMG 43, 63 and 63 S
    GLE Coupe: AMG 43 and 63 S
    E-class: AMG 53 and 63 S
    S-class: AMG S 63 and S 65
    That is a fair point; I guess the "flaw" is in messaging; V-Sport and V-Series was simple, yet worked even the lowest of IQ could comprehend it.


    Quote Originally Posted by MyImpalaSS View Post
    Do you know why it's called V Series?
    Yes, it is a "Series" of special performance MODELS.


    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    No, the reason this could fail, and the entire CT4 lineup could fail, is GM's abysmal marketing.
    I agree with you there!


    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    The name doesn't matter, based on "name enthusiasm" the Continental should be a roaring success. It isn't. The vehicle has to be good and the marketing right.
    We are not talking about "name enthusiasm" we are talking about "name confusion"...............

    It would be like if Lincoln changed what "Black Label" means.



    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    More than that, people have to want to buy them, the truth is that great cars can sit like wall flowers on a dealers lot through no fault of their own.

    What I'm saying is that GM could be going to all this effort with CT4 and CT5 but still see very little interest from buyers - that does not mean that these cars are terrible or deficient in any way.....

    Sometimes just being a "car" is enough to fail.....................
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKH View Post
    That CT4 has pretty big tires.
    Looks like the wheels/tires from the ATS-V...255s front, 275s rear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHAT-JAY View Post
    Kill the Camaro, but flush billions down the toilet for Cadillac...GREAT JOB GM!.
    Camaro is not going anywhere. Its delayed, because they've decided to add an electric version of it.

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