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    Naaah.. I'll take an XTS.. Or even better.. A CT6
    My current crop is 2016 CTSV Fully loaded, 2016 Corvette Z06 3LT fully loaded, 2015 GMC Yukon SLT Fully loaded, 2014 Impala LTZ, fully loaded, 2011 Chevy Cruze (kid's) LTZ, fully loaded, 1966 Chevy Impala SS 396 4spd Muncie 3.73 gears, 2003 Harley Softail with Rinehart exhaust, 2016 Harley Night Rod Special

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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    The concept of a modern DTS is fine, but it has to be done right. The Escala is a modern DTS done right - great proportions with amazing interior materials and styling that will appeal to all generations.

    The XTS is a modern version of the DTS and what I'm afraid of. Awkward styling that appeals only to older folks.

    The CT6 is on the right track, beautiful proportions, can handle but still comfortable. The interior is nice, but not in the same league as the Escala in both materials and styling.

    Sounds like everyone (but not me) wants Cadillac of the 1950's - huge cars with convertibles. So how does that translate to the 2019? Big cars barely exist, certainly not convertibles. How is this big car experience translated over to smaller cars and CUV's?

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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    The question is tho.. why are we even talking about he Catera in the modern age? Its been gone for 2 decades.. the DTS.. was still on sale as new up until 2013. It was not in IMAGE or STYLING what should have been offered by a luxury company. It literally looked like a GRANDFATHER'S Car. Ford GODSAKE.. I can smell the Bengay





    This can actually be driven and no one ask U if U're borrowing your grandparents ride. Cadillac should keep building them (and Buick), if for no other reason than Black Car service

    You're right the Catera is 20 years old....I should have said the BLS....Remember that jewel?

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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    “Maybe it’s time for Cadillac just to be Cadillac again and let it speak for itself, not be put into someone else’s box.”
    What does he mean?!!


    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    ... Sounds like everyone (but not me) wants Cadillac of the 1950's - huge cars with convertibles. ...
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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Buttons View Post
    You're right the Catera is 20 years old....I should have said the BLS....Remember that jewel?
    No... Cause I live in the US and didn't make it to Europe one time while it was being sold.. I did own a 9-3Aero tho.. Damn nice FWD Epsilon. Very fun car to drive actually
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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by rand49er View Post
    What does he mean?!!
    No longer follow. Perhaps he has come to a realization that being American Luxury means GO BIG or GO HOME.
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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    No... Cause I live in the US and didn't make it to Europe one time while it was being sold.. I did own a 9-3Aero tho.. Damn nice FWD Epsilon. Very fun car to drive actually
    I had a Saab as well... a 2007 9-3 2.0t that I liked it a lot.
    Then they went BK and the parts situation got rather interesting.
    I might've bought another Saab (a cabrio) instead of my Eclipse Spyder if they hadn't gone away.

    I traded it in on a car that reviewers love to bag on... a Jag X-type wagon.
    Don't care what the reviewers say. I liked it, too.
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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    I would rather have a DTS Platinum than any XTS if I'm honest. The DTS hid it's FWD proportions very well while the XTS always looked like an over-styled Buick LaCrosse.

    Oh wait...
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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Just what Cadillac will Cadillac be?

    The one from the last 30 miserable years or the world class brand of the 30’s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    Just what Cadillac will Cadillac be?

    The one from the last 30 miserable years or the world class brand of the 30’s?

    The problem is Pricing! When I bought a CTS in 2007 I thought I was getting a 5 series for a 3 series price. Lo and behold, the price on the CTS went up by 10K in two years. Now you can get your 5 series for a 5 series price. No Sale. When I bought my ATS coupe I chose a used one for half of the list price!

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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by rand49er View Post
    What does he mean?!!
    Exactly

    For a variety of reasons, most of which are truly beyond Cadillac - and GM's control at this point...... most of Cadillac's good to great periods are somewhat more than removed and or too remote from where they are today.

    Which means..... lots of other times that ah, ain't usable in a positive sense although they damn sure are in a negative sense.


    Just to be clear, "how not to do it" which at this point, is the larger half of the Cadillac History - and by a sizable amount at that.


    You just might be able to squeeze '49 thru eh, '56 ish in for good effect. Ignoring fully the disadvantaged start position of today compared to then..... but I doubt GM Management / the Board have any of that in mind regardless of that.


    A solid move up Piece and Brand for Chevrolet / Buick Owners covers much of it; and disenfranchised and or bored Honda/Acura - Nissan/Infiniti - Toyota/Lexus users covers pretty much the rest.


    As the Industry transitions......

    Whatever their intentions..... I'd be somewhat 'grateful' about the above as an accomplished result because that's about the best you can expect given the likely funding.
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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Discount luxury by Cadillac has a nice ring to it

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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Discount luxury by Cadillac has a nice ring to it
    They're all discount luxury 3-4 years in.
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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Discount luxury by Cadillac has a nice ring to it
    Value is a better word. More features, size and equipment for the money.

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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by zzh111 View Post
    The problem is Pricing! When I bought a CTS in 2007 I thought I was getting a 5 series for a 3 series price. Lo and behold, the price on the CTS went up by 10K in two years. Now you can get your 5 series for a 5 series price. No Sale. When I bought my ATS coupe I chose a used one for half of the list price!
    I find it deeply disturbing you don't see the that the real problem is with what you just stated, see below.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Discount luxury by Cadillac has a nice ring to it

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