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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    The question is tho.. why are we even talking about he Catera in the modern age? Its been gone for 2 decades.. the DTS.. was still on sale as new up until 2013. It was not in IMAGE or STYLING what should have been offered by a luxury company. It literally looked like a GRANDFATHER'S Car. Ford GODSAKE.. I can smell the Bengay





    This can actually be driven and no one ask U if U're borrowing your grandparents ride. Cadillac should keep building them (and Buick), if for no other reason than Black Car service


    Showing one with an aftermarket soft top is hardly a fair representation of the DTS. And I've seen 2nd and 3rd gen CTS and the XTS with those tops. People want what they want and Cadillac can't stop them from modifying their cars. I've also seen Mercedes with those tops.
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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    This can actually be driven and no one ask U if U're borrowing your grandparents ride. Cadillac should keep building them (and Buick), if for no other reason than Black Car service

    I stole the wife's car, so I'm driving one today.

    The XTS and the Escalade are the most un-German Cadillacs and not surprisingly, very excellent sellers. Well, fancy that!
    But Carlisle got rid of the XTS, so he's talking jibberish with this "Let Cadillac be Cadillac stuff".
    If he really wanted to let Cadillac be Cadillac, the XTS would continue.
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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    I think when people talk about going back to Cadillac roots we shouldn't be talking about this:



    But should be talking about this:

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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by ksr View Post
    Showing one with an aftermarket soft top is hardly a fair representation of the DTS. And I've seen 2nd and 3rd gen CTS and the XTS with those tops. People want what they want and Cadillac can't stop them from modifying their cars. I've also seen Mercedes with those tops.
    I used Google.. U can too. The DTS without the aftermarket soft top still looks geriatric

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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by eaton53 View Post
    I stole the wife's car, so I'm driving one today.

    The XTS and the Escalade are the most un-German Cadillacs and not surprisingly, very excellent sellers. Well, fancy that!
    But Carlisle got rid of the XTS, so he's talking jibberish with this "Let Cadillac be Cadillac stuff".
    If he really wanted to let Cadillac be Cadillac, the XTS would continue.
    At a certain point the XTS became unnecessary except as a fleet car. Once the CT6 arrived it was moot.. in fact.. they would have made things a lot easier had they called the CT6 the XTS.. or DT7 from the git. Stick to the effing names.. not necessary actual names.. just the names they had. Either way.. a CT6 is RWD based with AWD all the time now unless U want it to be biased RWD with a switch. PLUS U can now get it in a V8 TIMES 2 vs 1 V6. The V6 is now the economical option.. and hopefully loses its status as the goto. Sorta like if they decided to put a V6 in the Escalade.. most would still opt for the V8 I believe.

    The CT6 is currently.. the most historically accurate representation of CADILLAC in terms of drivetrain, size, and being a CAR. Its missing the floaty boat, non-handling aspect sure.. but who wants that? On top of that.. if U drive a CT6 U are not gonna want for comfort on the road either. It is a very comfortable cruiser in Touring mode to be very honest. The Escalade certainly embodies certain aspects... but we have to remember that up until the Gen3 Escalade.. people were still crying that a Cadillac shouldn't be a TRUCK.
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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    I used Google.. U can too. The DTS without the aftermarket soft top still looks geriatric


    Like I said before, it was designed to complete against exactly one car. The Lincoln Town Car. And it did that quite well. Both ceased production in 2011.

    I really don't think it was a bad looking car. It was designed for a specific buyer, most of whom are now six feet under.

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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by ksr View Post
    Like I said before, it was designed to complete against exactly one car. The Lincoln Town Car. And it did that quite well. Both ceased production in 2011.
    Which shows U a huge problem with GM during that time period. 211,518 sales over 8 years in one market during CAR YEARS.. versus the XTS selling in two markets 288,176 over 7 years in CUV years.. at a higher price, and much more competitive with the REAL competition.
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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by ksr View Post
    It was designed for a specific buyer, most of whom are now six feet under.
    At least some of them were transported to their final resting place in a certain kind of Cadillac DTS:

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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    I Prefer the DTS Design just with RWD Drivetrain. It would had been what the Chrysler 300 is today.....

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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    At a certain point the XTS became unnecessary except as a fleet car. Once the CT6 arrived it was moot.
    The CT6 would fit in my garage, just not as well as the XTS. it's actually 1/2" narrower than the likes of the G80 and RLX.
    But the wife insisted that her car will have a CD player, so I installed the glovebox unit. Like the G80 and RLX, it's 100% compliant.
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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    Which shows U a huge problem with GM during that time period. 211,518 sales over 8 years in one market during CAR YEARS.. versus the XTS selling in two markets 288,176 over 7 years in CUV years.. at a higher price, and much more competitive with the REAL competition.
    I'm not really defending the DTS as a car. It was well made for what it was under that outdated skin. And it certainly not something I'd have ever considered.

    But I do defend that Cadillac built it. They were grasping with Lincoln at the last of the buyers for such cars. I wish they'd battle with BMW and the other Germans for coupe and convertible buyers rather than ceding whatever market is left for those cars.

    Maybe it was a mistake since it was pretty obvious when the DTS launched that the buyers were dying out and that very few younger buyers would want a DTS even as they aged. But it launched in 2006. It's been gone for eight years now, so it's about as relevant as the Catera mentioned before.
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    Re: Carlisle: Time for Cadillac to just to be Cadillac again

    There's nothing luxurious about a cramped sedan with a stiff ride and barely enough trunk room for one set of golf clubs, much less weekend luggage for 3 or 4. It's almost as if they're forcing people to buy Escalades and Tahoes.

    The 2nd gen CTS really stood out from the crowd, unlike their sedans since. Those pics of the CT5 on the street were encouraging, unlike the earlier photos. Just like the 2nd gen, the wider stance makes a difference.

    Maybe it was a mistake since it was pretty obvious when the DTS launched that the buyers were dying out and that very few younger buyers would want a DTS even as they aged.
    I'm not dead yet, thank you.

    I would not have bought either new, but my Deville and DTS have been great used cars and real bargains. My last new car, an Intrigue, was a huge disappointment in multiple ways. I've seen nothing that offers anything significantly better without major, non-start shortcomings.
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