While the CT4-V falls into the same traps that have plagued Cadillac for too long, the brand's insistence on doing things the old way is what makes this V so good. Built on the right architecture and honed by GM's vastly underappreciated chassis-tuning team, the CT4-V is the best sedan in this segment you can buy right now.
Ugh, not surprisingly, it's the same things that prevent Cadillac from attaining greatness.
The Cadillac dash design looks cheap (like BMW's); just for once can they have a class leading interior (not counting the new Escalade - which is really only in a segment of 2, until the full size Jeep hits the market)?
As stated from the start, this repositioned ATS shows that with its interior packaging, should have been directed at the sub-entry segment from the beginning.
But retains everything good about the driving dynamics/handling of the ATS.
Ugh, not surprisingly, it's the same things that prevent Cadillac from attaining greatness.
The Cadillac dash design looks cheap (like BMW's); just for once can they have a class leading interior (not counting the new Escalade - which is really only in a segment of 2, until the full size Jeep hits the market)?
As stated from the start, this repositioned ATS shows that with its interior packaging, should have been directed at the sub-entry segment from the beginning.
Not a compromise enough to keep it from winning the comparison. In fact, it’s very close to the BMW. It had, far and away, the best ride quality, and best driving dynamics (“drives like a much more expensive car”).
It’s a great car. Not all cars have the same strengths. This one is most balanced of the three.
They complained mightily about the BMW's ride but gave it a better score than the Benz.
I simply don't understand why anyone wants an all black interior, but they seem to be popular now. It makes any interior look drab to me and does the CT4 no favors. Mercedes slathers theirs with metal, which just makes it garish.
They complained mightily about the BMW's ride but gave it a better score than the Benz.
I simply don't understand why anyone wants an all black interior, but they seem to be popular now. It makes any interior look drab to me and does the CT4 no favors. Mercedes slathers theirs with metal, which just makes it garish.
Fantastic car! And before the interior gets blow out of proportion, the materials are nice, the author is quibbling about the color. That's his preference, while I do wish GM offered more interior color choices (which they do on the non-V), it doesn't make or break the car. This isn't like the old days where the interior was full of Chevy parts and materials, he simply doesn't like the color. And interesting item I've noted with all the reviews I've seen on the CT4 & CT5 is I haven't heard a peep about lower door panel trim
The 2.7 Premium Luxury was a lot of fun to drive, I can only imagine how much fun the V is!
Who'd ever think BMW would end #3 in a performance review....
Fantastic car! And before the interior gets blow out of proportion, the materials are nice, the author is quibbling about the color. That's his preference, while I do wish GM offered more interior color choices (which they do on the non-V), it doesn't make or break the car. This isn't like the old days where the interior was full of Chevy parts and materials, he simply doesn't like the color. And interesting item I've noted with all the reviews I've seen on the CT4 & CT5 is I haven't heard a peep about lower door panel trim
The 2.7 Premium Luxury was a lot of fun to drive, I can only imagine how much fun the V is!
Who'd ever think BMW would end #3 in a performance review....
While the finish and materials are on par with those in the BMW, the vast dark expanses remind us that February is just four months away, and we live in Michigan.
Before the interior argument goes on I think everyone needs to read the substantive portion of the interior comments. Nowhere did they say the interior is bad, they simply said it's dark. Big difference.
Interior scored an 8 out of 10, tying with the BMW. The interior didn't get a crazy low score, it got an 8.
Before the interior argument goes on I think everyone needs to read the substantive portion of the interior comments. Nowhere did they say the interior is bad, they simply said it's dark. Big difference.
Interior scored an 8 out of 10, tying with the BMW. The interior didn't get a crazy low score, it got an 8.
My gripe with the current Cadillac interiors (not including the Escalade) is not that they are bad, but they just aren't very appealing or compelling. BMW can get away with that as they have a reputation as one of the top two brands in the mainstream luxury market. So "not bad" is good enough for them to keep people from being turned away. But Cadillac needs better to attract new people as lord know they have precious few left to turn away.
One of the most common praises for the CT4 and CT5 is that their interior quality is a step up from ATS and CTS. And even criticism of the plastics have been tempered by the fact that the plastics are not hard plastics but high quality soft touch plastics.
Yes, I like them too. One of the big differences between their reviews and the typical car mags is that they focus on what buyers are looking for in their cars.
Clearly, Cadillac is doing something right. If they focused all their attention on interiors and not much on driving enjoyment the whining here would continue. FCA should be on death watch, Ford has nothing for sedans, it's up to Cadillac to represent domestic car luxury. Not a bad effort taking 1st place against these two.
You know I feel like that it is normal in this segment to offer at base a not so great interior and over charge for nice things on the inside. I think that all 3 of these cars suffer from this, though the CT4 V does add the level of sporty driving that has come to be expected from all Cadillac sedan. Just now you you have to pay extra for it.
You know I feel like that it is normal in this segment to offer at base a not so great interior and over charge for nice things on the inside. I think that all 3 of these cars suffer from this, though the CT4 V does add the level of sporty driving that has come to be expected from all Cadillac sedan. Just now you you have to pay extra for it.
Isn't that part of luxury? Make it desirable so you are willing to part with your money and make you pay dearly? Cadillac made their handling desirable, now you have to pay for it.
Though at the same time, I think making the performance optional is a good idea. Most people don't want a hard ride as Cadillac did with the original ATS - all ATS's handled well. Most people want a comfortable ride - I think they took the right approach with the CT4. Be nice if they made those magic shocks standard, but that goes to my point of making you pay for desirable options!
As near as I can tell none of the mags have actually tested the non-V CT4. They’ve only tested the V. Not to be confused with the non-V CT5 which yes they have tested. So for example we don’t know how much the better the 0-60 of the smaller/lighter 2.0T CT4 is versus the 2.0T CT5. I’m hoping for 0.5sec.
I’m fine with Caddy’s strategy given the Vs are quite reasonable for what you get. Does anyone rave about the handling of say a rock-bottom 3 series? The BMW 330i that won a recent C&D comparo had over $7000 of performance options (Msport, Track Handling, etc):
While the CT4-V falls into the same traps that have plagued Cadillac for too long, the brand's insistence on doing things the old way is what makes this V so good. Built on the right architecture and honed by GM's vastly underappreciated chassis-tuning team, the CT4-V is the best sedan in this segment you can buy right now.
And one other thing of note, it seems the Cadillac is doing it the old way inside with their interior and an honest to God decent "old fashioned" instrument panel not one of these funky new stand up, tacked on screen affairs. It seems most of these journalists are sensationalists and also have their pet peeves that they seem to think is the way the world should be. They always stand out to me as being not of the norm or mainstream types of people too.
Changeover was supposed to have occurred on Sept. 28. Hopefully, the color palette has been re-arranged for 2021 so more interior choices are available on the V than black and Sangria. Some of the two-tone options and the tan would lighten things along with the Diamond Sky interior for '21.
Dammit - I just ordered a CT4V this morning that will be a 2021 (they'll call me back with the pricing), I don't want to give them $400 more Though the digital gauge cluster will be cool.
I had been looking for the sangria interior, I didn't ask the salesman to look at black which is probably why these didn't come up (though I specifically said no sunroof...). The one around $52k looked interesting, though it had the sunroof and after dinner I'll have to look closer at the options. Looks really good at the angle they took the picture at!
The weird thing is there were so few extras then that wouldn't be standard now, even on the base model. You'd think with the otherwise-streamlined manufacturing, they could offer the same wide choices of colors and seat material they did back then.
My dealer, Moore Cadillac in Northern Virginia has three CT4-Vs in stock.
The weird thing is there were so few extras then that wouldn't be standard now, even on the base model. You'd think with the otherwise-streamlined manufacturing, they could offer the same wide choices of colors and seat material they did back then.
All three have all-black interiors. Who would want one in a Virginia summer? Are dealers' buyers deluded--or lazy?
When Hertz announced their big sale a few months ago, every Cadillac of the 60+ I looked at had a black interior.
GM is only offering the black or sangria for the V, the sangria is really dark, so I bet the heat absorption won't be very different. I don't know why GM offers only those two interior color choices, I'd love to have the whisper beige...
Then I was very specific how I wanted it equipped, there is certainly CT4's out there, just none exactly how I wanted it. Though I know this isn't a "real" V, this could very well be the nicest car I get in my life and will be a special car to me - I decided I want to get it exactly how I want it.
I dont know if this would help or not but take two minutes and watch this video at just before 21 minutes and watch until 23 minutes..cant hurt to explore what was done ..
Of course Im not sure what you are experiencing....but this is what the car wizard did..sounded inexpensive and easy and delivered heat in wonter and ac in summer.
^^^theyre trying to be nice to you...it's a bad buy, better listen to them and keep your ATS instead of trying to prove something to some strangers on a forum.
Anyway back to the comparison, I wish I could go about life like Cadillac is going about placing their product. Placing the CT4 against the subcompacts is like me trying out for peewee football, yeah I'll probably dominate but everyone will know why I'm there.
Sorry but that’s a terrible analogy. Or I’m not quite getting what ur putting down.
It seems ur overthinking this...Cadillac, in a market down on cars, put out a couple of cars that either sell or don’t. So far, the 5 and 4 are doing quite well. I like most everything about both. I just appreciate that Cadillac is still trying despite some fumbles.
I read an article a while back where GM admitted they should have put a v8 in the ATS-V. I assume the ct4-v blackwing will get a 3.6TT with 7 more hp, but unsure wish they would go LT-1 or LT-2
It seems like GM should send a certain number of each model to dealers whether they order them or not. At GM's expense. If they sell, the dealer pays GM what they owe. I guess that would be selling on consignment.
Dealers do get burned. When I was hunting for my ATS Coupe, the closest one to me was about 150 miles away. My dealer hadn't stocked one in two years because they didn't sell. But with no inventory on display, any model is pretty much doomed, and even when they had an ATS Coupe, the inventory was exactly one. Most people want to see and drive what they're buying first, even if they end up ordering exactly what they want. I saw a number of dealers online with coupes that were two years old or older. I wanted a 2019 and had the one that I bought driven here from Atlanta. At that point, I had purchased the car sight-unseen; most people won't do that.
Lack of inventory guarantees failure and contributed to the poor sales of the ATS Coupe and Regal Sportback.
Definitely a chicken before the egg scenario. I'm just guessing too.... Plus, again, I'm not sure if the inventory available today is indicative of what the dealers want to have in stock...
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