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    Car & Driver - $50,000 Sports Sedans Compared (including CT4-V)

    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...cedes-amg-a35/

    While the CT4-V falls into the same traps that have plagued Cadillac for too long, the brand's insistence on doing things the old way is what makes this V so good. Built on the right architecture and honed by GM's vastly underappreciated chassis-tuning team, the CT4-V is the best sedan in this segment you can buy right now.
    Ugh, not surprisingly, it's the same things that prevent Cadillac from attaining greatness.

    The Cadillac dash design looks cheap (like BMW's); just for once can they have a class leading interior (not counting the new Escalade - which is really only in a segment of 2, until the full size Jeep hits the market)?

    As stated from the start, this repositioned ATS shows that with its interior packaging, should have been directed at the sub-entry segment from the beginning.

    But retains everything good about the driving dynamics/handling of the ATS.
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    Re: Car & Driver $50,000 Sports Sedans Compared (including CTV-4)

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    Ugh, not surprisingly, it's the same things that prevent Cadillac from attaining greatness.

    The Cadillac dash design looks cheap (like BMW's); just for once can they have a class leading interior (not counting the new Escalade - which is really only in a segment of 2, until the full size Jeep hits the market)?

    As stated from the start, this repositioned ATS shows that with its interior packaging, should have been directed at the sub-entry segment from the beginning.
    Man, that’s some spin. You wouldn’t know from reading your post, the CT4-V won the comparison.
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    Re: Car & Driver - $50,000 Sports Sedans Compared (including CTV-4)

    ^ Not exactly spin.

    It's years of frustration of Cadillac making the same compromises (with regard to the interior) again and again.

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    Re: Car & Driver - $50,000 Sports Sedans Compared (including CTV-4)

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    ^ Not exactly spin.

    It's years of frustration of Cadillac making the same compromises (with regard to the interior) again and again.
    Not a compromise enough to keep it from winning the comparison. In fact, it’s very close to the BMW. It had, far and away, the best ride quality, and best driving dynamics (“drives like a much more expensive car”).

    It’s a great car. Not all cars have the same strengths. This one is most balanced of the three.
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    Re: Car & Driver - $50,000 Sports Sedans Compared (including CTV-4)

    They complained mightily about the BMW's ride but gave it a better score than the Benz.

    I simply don't understand why anyone wants an all black interior, but they seem to be popular now. It makes any interior look drab to me and does the CT4 no favors. Mercedes slathers theirs with metal, which just makes it garish.

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    Re: Car & Driver - $50,000 Sports Sedans Compared (including CTV-4)

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    Not a compromise enough to keep it from winning the comparison. In fact, it’s very close to the BMW. It had, far and away, the best ride quality, and best driving dynamics (“drives like a much more expensive car”).

    It’s a great car. Not all cars have the same strengths. This one is most balanced of the three.

    It is a compromise with regard to the interior as C/D went to some lengths about its complaints about the interior, notwithstanding its win (plus, c'mon, - a RWD should win over 2 econobox FWD models).

    In terms of ride and handling, the Germans would lose out to the likes of the CTR, i30N and GTI.

    And really, how difficult is it to complete the package by simply putting in a nicer interior (that's the easiest thing for an automaker to do)?
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    Fantastic car! And before the interior gets blow out of proportion, the materials are nice, the author is quibbling about the color. That's his preference, while I do wish GM offered more interior color choices (which they do on the non-V), it doesn't make or break the car. This isn't like the old days where the interior was full of Chevy parts and materials, he simply doesn't like the color. And interesting item I've noted with all the reviews I've seen on the CT4 & CT5 is I haven't heard a peep about lower door panel trim

    The 2.7 Premium Luxury was a lot of fun to drive, I can only imagine how much fun the V is!

    Who'd ever think BMW would end #3 in a performance review....

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    Re: Car & Driver - $50,000 Sports Sedans Compared (including CTV-4)

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Fantastic car! And before the interior gets blow out of proportion, the materials are nice, the author is quibbling about the color. That's his preference, while I do wish GM offered more interior color choices (which they do on the non-V), it doesn't make or break the car. This isn't like the old days where the interior was full of Chevy parts and materials, he simply doesn't like the color. And interesting item I've noted with all the reviews I've seen on the CT4 & CT5 is I haven't heard a peep about lower door panel trim

    The 2.7 Premium Luxury was a lot of fun to drive, I can only imagine how much fun the V is!

    Who'd ever think BMW would end #3 in a performance review....
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    Re: Car & Driver - $50,000 Sports Sedans Compared (including CTV-4)

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    Not a compromise enough to keep it from winning the comparison. In fact, it’s very close to the BMW. It had, far and away, the best ride quality, and best driving dynamics (“drives like a much more expensive car”).

    It’s a great car. Not all cars have the same strengths. This one is most balanced of the three.
    It’s no different than with a aging CTS Vsport finishing near the top in comparison tests but still reading how Cadillac is clueless.
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    They complained mightily about the BMW's ride but gave it a better score than the Benz.

    I simply don't understand why anyone wants an all black interior, but they seem to be popular now. It makes any interior look drab to me and does the CT4 no favors. Mercedes slathers theirs with metal, which just makes it garish.
    I agree about the all-black interiors, but at least they offer the nice Sangria seats on the CT4-V (Sport too) as an option:

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    Re: Car & Driver - $50,000 Sports Sedans Compared (including CTV-4)

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    It’s no different than with a aging CTS Vsport finishing near the top in comparison tests but still reading how Cadillac is clueless.
    The “aging CTS Vsport” finished near the top in comparison tests because it was a phenomenal car. It was on Car and Driver’s 10 Best list its first few years. The CT4-V is a great car for the money. It had many of the qualities necessary to win.

    The criticism was about lack of color choice not quality, which they rated as about as good as BMW. It had the most luxurious ride and had the driving dynamics, in their words, of a much more expensive car, and they loved its exterior design. Believe it or not, when you compare three cars even a really great car can finish last in a category. It doesn’t mean the car was bad in that category.

    Again: the best car in its segment. That the naysayers can even try to turn those words into a loss for Cadillac is astounding, but par for the course. Your lack of credibility is showing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YEH View Post
    It is a compromise with regard to the interior as C/D went to some lengths about its complaints about the interior, notwithstanding its win (plus, c'mon, - a RWD should win over 2 econobox FWD models).

    In terms of ride and handling, the Germans would lose out to the likes of the CTR, i30N and GTI.

    And really, how difficult is it to complete the package by simply putting in a nicer interior (that's the easiest thing for an automaker to do)?
    Winning on ride and handling is also winning the wrong battle in this segment. People shopping in this segment don't really care about performance. They just want to look like they have a performance model (otherwise they wouldn't even be considering these FWD wannabes from the Germans). Of course, it's better to win on something than to lose but Cadillac will lose a lot more sales on the interior than BMW or MB will on ride and handling.
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    While the finish and materials are on par with those in the BMW, the vast dark expanses remind us that February is just four months away, and we live in Michigan.
    Before the interior argument goes on I think everyone needs to read the substantive portion of the interior comments. Nowhere did they say the interior is bad, they simply said it's dark. Big difference.

    Interior scored an 8 out of 10, tying with the BMW. The interior didn't get a crazy low score, it got an 8.

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