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    Re: Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    The press can have influence certainly, but I doubt that 30 years of languishing is suddenly erased by making a RWD based Explorer with a shiny interior and a bigger engine.

    Funny that this was some people's outlook on Lincoln 4 years ago when the Continental debuted stealing design cues from Bentley and Audi. The perception of Lincoln, to all those that matter, the buyers.. Still below Buick. Just ask around. Lol.
    30 years...............

    Ironically the 2020 Explorer is the 30 anniversary of the Explorer.............

    If only CT6 sales were triple that of the Continental, huh?...................


    Quote Originally Posted by jesda1 View Post
    Except the Rogue isn't just affordable. It's the worst vehicle in its segment and buying one is a product of ignorance and/or apathy.
    For the segment, what is superior?



    Quote Originally Posted by jesda1 View Post
    McDonald's and Chik Fil A both sell "premium" chicken sandwiches. They're priced similarly but the McD's versions are much, much more popular despite being quite inferior in taste, consistency, and service.

    It's a classic logical fallacy to correlate volume with quality. Are China and India better countries because they have more people?
    Bro are you high?
    What if Chick Fil A, despite its much-smaller size, sold a lot more chicken sandwiches?.................


    Chevrolet is McDonald's many more locations, a lot more sales potential, yet little-ole "Chick Fil A" (Nissan) sells a lot more Chicken Sandwiches (Rogue's).
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    Re: Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    Not what I meant and not what I said. The Aviator is superior in two ways in regards to enthusiasts wants .. Hp and an avail hybrid for better fuel economy.. For the mainstream luxo buyer though.. Not confident that either are a necessity for success. I still believe that they should offer the choice though. Someone like U hopes they don't I bet. I bet U are upset that the Silverado just got all of its revisions recently
    U bet, U lose............... sorry!

    I'm upset the Silverado didn't get the fancy tailgate...............
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    Re: Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    For the segment, what is superior?
    Genuinely, everything else. The Koreans, Americans, and the non-Mitsubishi Japanese offer superior goods for the same or not much more money.
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    Re: Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Quote Originally Posted by jesda1 View Post
    Except the Rogue isn't just affordable. It's the worst vehicle in its segment and buying one is a product of ignorance and/or apathy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post


    For the segment, what is superior?

    Quote Originally Posted by jesda1 View Post
    Genuinely, everything else. The Koreans, Americans, and the non-Mitsubishi Japanese offer superior goods for the same or not much more money.
    Welp; that got me nowhere, let me try another way................

    What is so bad about the Rogue? I'll need to know what to look for, because 18 months ago, it was not at all as you state.

    I'll be in the market for my wife's next set of wheels in 18 months, assuming we don't just buy this 2017 Rogue.

    And when you say "not much more money"? I'm pretty good at math, and to me $100/month is a lot more, especially when the payment is $250 that 100 bucks is 40%.
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    Re: Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Quote Originally Posted by pontiacgt02 View Post
    Every time someone complains about GM I laugh. I have friends with other brands Japanese and Americans and they all have their faults. Honda and Toyota especially are over rated and VW too. GM's mileage is under rated lately a lot. I got 33 mpg in my GMC 2.0t Denali terrain AWD. Its rated at 28. So the way the EPA is testing is not real world as usual. This will probably beat those numbers too.
    If that is true, then GM still has a problem...this time it is a major marketing problem in terms of how they present their fuel economy or how they 'adapt' to the tests. Whatever it is...it is a fail by GM...either make your cars get better fuel economy, or have them test 'equal' to the competition.

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    Re: Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    I can only hope this shortcoming with the chassis is because Cadillac missed the market and is now finally rushing CUV's out, hopefully the next gen will allow for more interesting engines. Though with that said, I don't think the XT6 needs a blackwing V8, its target market doesn't care about it. But having hipo engines will help Cadillac's image.
    The thing is, Cadillac wasn't exactly rushing these out in a sense as the Board had refused to continue to fund development of the XT6 and XT4 until JdN came up w/ a plan which showed greater sales for the investment in any new new models.

    Which is why JdN moved so aggressively in the China market.

    But I guess one could say that once the Board got onboard w/ JdN's China plan, Cadillac rushed finishing the development of the XT6 and XT4, but the long-held plan at the time for Cadillac CUVs (for the most part) was always going to be based on the mainstream FWD platforms as the Alpha platform was unsuitable for CUV-duty.
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    Re: Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Have you seen the lines at Chick Fila? McD can't hang with that

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    Re: Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    Welp; that got me nowhere, let me try another way................

    What is so bad about the Rogue? I'll need to know what to look for, because 18 months ago, it was not at all as you state.

    I'll be in the market for my wife's next set of wheels in 18 months, assuming we don't just buy this 2017 Rogue.

    And when you say "not much more money"? I'm pretty good at math, and to me $100/month is a lot more, especially when the payment is $250 that 100 bucks is 40%.
    Notoriously unreliable powertrain
    Sloppy steering
    Sloppy suspension
    Glitchy infotainment
    Poor acceleration
    Numb, mushy brakes
    Vague on-center feel and a chassis that tends to wander

    Most CUVs do most of the above with little enthusiasm, but Nissan's Rogue is easily the least talented performer and a nuisance as a daily driver.

    It photographs reasonably well and during an initial test drive you might not be as annoyed with these things as you would over time, or after a weekend and several hundred miles with a rental.

    If you want to go from point A to point B, the Chevy Cavalier in its day did that too, but not particularly well. For the money, even if the Rogue -is- often the cheapest, it's a terrible value for money. We often speak of diminishing returns when it comes to spending more and getting less and less back. It works in reverse too, saving money on the front end while actually losing in value, not just in terms of resale but in terms of daily enjoyment and long term dependability.


    I assume you work as hard as I do -- you can do a lot better. I say this as someone who used to be a massive Nissan/Infiniti fan who has owned Q45s, Maximas, S13s, etc. Friends of mine who have worked for Nissan despise the company for taking engineering shortcuts and building, quite simply, junk cars. A friend's new Sentra went through four transmissions before he finally traded it in, the only good part being that he got employee pricing.

    I talked mom into a new QX56 a few years ago. It now spends most of its time being repaired. Infiniti corporate sent an engineer out to try resolving a mysterious electrical issue that's returned repeatedly, leaving the truck stranded. In the last year she's driven her own vehicle for less than 4 months, putting miles on a service loaner (which she's actually fine with).

    Nissan's customer service at the corporate level is also trash, so dont expect them to stand behind their steaming hunks of garbage. This is a company with a spectacular legacy that resigned itself to building mass market junk for people with low standards. Thankfully for shareholders there's a gigantic audience for mediocrity.


    SPEND THE EXTRA $100.

    Don't be a penny-wise, pound-foolish sucker. I've bought/sold/driven hundreds of cars in the car business, owned 60 or so myself since getting licensed in 1997, and driven several more as an avid traveler. I know what I'm talking about here.


    But hey, I can't tell you to raise your standards. If the meatloaf at Golden Corral is good enough to satisfy, then so be it.
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    Re: Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Since when do people buy Cadillacs for their fuel economy?
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    Re: Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    My neighbor has one, he isn't interested in cars - he just wants a cheap vehicle that takes him from point A to point B, which the Rogue does. Same with a buddy of mine that until ~6 months ago had an Altima. Though that is Nissan's issue, they sell on price and I believe Nissan has relatively low profits as a result. My buddy switched to a Sonata because it had even better deals and offered a lot more bells and whistles. I think Nissan's business model is in trouble if another company is offering better prices and more equipment for the money.

    As you said 1958carnut, there are a lot of people out there that want new but don't have a lot of money. They aren't foolish... I often wonder if I'm the foolish one buying somewhat expensive cars that just depreciate to nothing... Just a business I wouldn't want to be in from the manufacturers point of view.
    The thing about buying somewhat expensive IMO is it can be justified by the intent and following through of keeping it for a lengthier period of time. I've often thought about that in the form of used vehicles as well. Like say a couple year old higher trim line or near luxury product because at that point it still has a lot of life left in it and the price is down to a "more affordable" level for those of lesser incomes or budgets.

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    Re: Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    The thing about buying somewhat expensive IMO is it can be justified by the intent and following through of keeping it for a lengthier period of time. I've often thought about that in the form of used vehicles as well. Like say a couple year old higher trim line or near luxury product because at that point it still has a lot of life left in it and the price is down to a "more affordable" level for those of lesser incomes or budgets.
    That is what I did when I bought the MKX; it was 18 months old, 15K miles and completely loaded MSRP was $50K I paid $33K, it still dropped a lot in the next 3 years.

    What are your thoughts about the abuse Jesda is giving us for owning Rogue's? I've replayed by evaluation and purchase decision, quizzed my wife, if I were to do it all over, I'd do the exact same thing, even today. I know he hates CVT, but owning a Cruze, that slush-box was actually worse when pressed, and I've never had an issue with the CVT, maybe owning snowmobiles, which also use a CVT of sorts, makes me more open to them? Anyway, the front seats, rear seats and seat room, rear cargo all as good, and in most cases; a lot better than the competition.
    Features; the Rogue blew the rest away in that price-range, and the best part, no start-stop! The one thing I wish it had, was Apple carplay, that was added in 2018, mine is a 2017.
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    Re: Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Quote Originally Posted by jesda1 View Post
    Notoriously unreliable powertrain
    Sloppy steering
    Sloppy suspension
    Glitchy infotainment
    Poor acceleration
    Numb, mushy brakes
    Vague on-center feel and a chassis that tends to wander

    Most CUVs do most of the above with little enthusiasm, but Nissan's Rogue is easily the least talented performer and a nuisance as a daily driver.

    It photographs reasonably well and during an initial test drive you might not be as annoyed with these things as you would over time, or after a weekend and several hundred miles with a rental.

    If you want to go from point A to point B, the Chevy Cavalier in its day did that too, but not particularly well. For the money, even if the Rogue -is- often the cheapest, it's a terrible value for money. We often speak of diminishing returns when it comes to spending more and getting less and less back. It works in reverse too, saving money on the front end while actually losing in value, not just in terms of resale but in terms of daily enjoyment and long term dependability.


    I assume you work as hard as I do -- you can do a lot better. I say this as someone who used to be a massive Nissan/Infiniti fan who has owned Q45s, Maximas, S13s, etc. Friends of mine who have worked for Nissan despise the company for taking engineering shortcuts and building, quite simply, junk cars. A friend's new Sentra went through four transmissions before he finally traded it in, the only good part being that he got employee pricing.

    I talked mom into a new QX56 a few years ago. It now spends most of its time being repaired. Infiniti corporate sent an engineer out to try resolving a mysterious electrical issue that's returned repeatedly, leaving the truck stranded. In the last year she's driven her own vehicle for less than 4 months, putting miles on a service loaner (which she's actually fine with).

    Nissan's customer service at the corporate level is also trash, so dont expect them to stand behind their steaming hunks of garbage. This is a company with a spectacular legacy that resigned itself to building mass market junk for people with low standards. Thankfully for shareholders there's a gigantic audience for mediocrity.


    SPEND THE EXTRA $100.

    Don't be a penny-wise, pound-foolish sucker. I've bought/sold/driven hundreds of cars in the car business, owned 60 or so myself since getting licensed in 1997, and driven several more as an avid traveler. I know what I'm talking about here.


    But hey, I can't tell you to raise your standards. If the meatloaf at Golden Corral is good enough to satisfy, then so be it.
    I've been thinking about Golden Corral Meatloaf for two weeks now!! MMmMmmmMMmmmmmmm..I shall now go and eat 2lbs of it Thank you!.

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    That is what I did when I bought the MKX; it was 18 months old, 15K miles and completely loaded MSRP was $50K I paid $33K, it still dropped a lot in the next 3 years.

    What are your thoughts about the abuse Jesda is giving us for owning Rogue's? I've replayed by evaluation and purchase decision, quizzed my wife, if I were to do it all over, I'd do the exact same thing, even today. I know he hates CVT, but owning a Cruze, that slush-box was actually worse when pressed, and I've never had an issue with the CVT, maybe owning snowmobiles, which also use a CVT of sorts, makes me more open to them? Anyway, the front seats, rear seats and seat room, rear cargo all as good, and in most cases; a lot better than the competition.
    Features; the Rogue blew the rest away in that price-range, and the best part, no start-stop! The one thing I wish it had, was Apple carplay, that was added in 2018, mine is a 2017.
    I'd do it all over again too. I'd have taken the slightly more money left over '16 they had next to my left over '16 which was in the metallic white and a couple other minor differences instead of balking at paint cost. Besides-this is trivial-but I live on music and am not in to the personal device trend, and with lots of CD's I wanted a vehicle that still had one. Plus AWD and it has the AWD Lock feature the others (GM) didn't. Edit: One more thing too, the newer models now have remote start and mine doesn't-which I miss, oh well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Buttons View Post
    I've been thinking about Golden Corral Meatloaf for two weeks now!! MMmMmmmMMmmmmmmm..I shall now go and eat 2lbs of it Thank you!.
    I just came back from Red Lobster with my folks and ordered the "Pick Three" deal and brought one home for dinner Sunday eve.
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