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    Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Except in the design department, if the XT6's looks are your kind of thing.
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    By: Jared Rosenholtz


    When Lincoln revealed the revived Aviator, the entire automotive industry seemed to shout, "Wow! Lincoln is back!" The Aviator was a tough act to follow, so when Cadillac revealed its new three-row midsize crossover, the XT6, the industry let out a lackluster "meh." Unlike the Aviator, which is based on a new rear-wheel-drive platform and offers an available twin-turbocharged V6 engine with 400 horsepower, the XT6 makes do with the same front-wheel-drive underpinnings as the smaller XT5 and features a carryover 3.6-liter V6 producing 310 hp.

    Things didn't get much better for Cadillac when pricing for the XT6 was revealed and it turned out to be around $1,500 more than the Aviator (though the Aviator is far more expensive when fully optioned). EPA fuel economy figures for the Aviator haven't been released yet but the XT6's figures have, and things don't look so pretty in that department when you compare them to the competition.

    The most fuel-efficient XT6 is the FWD model, which is rated at 18/25/20 mpg city/highway/combined. Opting for AWD lowers the city and highway ratings to 17 and 24 mpg respectively but the combined figure remains at 20 mpg. These numbers don't bode very well against other three-row luxury SUVs in the segment. The Audi Q7 averages 21 mpg combined and the Acura MDX, Infiniti QX60, and Volvo XC90 all average 22 mpg combined. The XT6 does have the MDX and QX60 beat on power but the Q7 and XC90 both have the Cadillac beat in their mid-engined trims.

    The Cadillac would be able to make up some ground if it were significantly less expensive than its competitors, but it's actually more expensive than most of the options listed above. Now that pricing and fuel economy have been released, it's easy to see that Cadillac is running out of categories in which to make the XT6 stand out from the competition. Perhaps when the Aviator fuel economy numbers are released, the XT6 can claw back some ground.
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    LOL at all the FORD fans in this thread thinking they got a one up. This is the Yukon Denali and trust me it's going to blow away the Navigator. Escalade is gunning for RR/Bentley level of interiors and beyond. I've talked to someone about this on another site that confirmed it Navigator isn't even being bench-marked at Cadillac too low for them.
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    17 City 24 Highway for the volume AWD model is just awful. But in all honesty, it's fitting that it's that bad, as it matches the rest of the car; awful. Ugly, overpriced, ****ty interior, and now... inefficient. Unbelievable.

    The fact that we waited for this long for a large Cadillac CUV and got... "this"... is a slap in the face of every Cadillac enthusiast and person who cares about the brand.

    I mean being real here, why would anybody consider this thing at the price point it occupies when cars like Aviator, X5, GLE, MDX, and XC90 can be had for less, even, or a little more money?

    Per GM's usual modus operandi... bring on the incentives. Ugh.
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    LOL at all the FORD fans in this thread thinking they got a one up. This is the Yukon Denali and trust me it's going to blow away the Navigator. Escalade is gunning for RR/Bentley level of interiors and beyond. I've talked to someone about this on another site that confirmed it Navigator isn't even being bench-marked at Cadillac too low for them.
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    That’s worse than a RWD Durango!!!!!

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    Re: Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Ah but wait until those incentives hit!

    ;-)

    To be fair, no one cares that much about mileage these days. People are buying guzzling pickups like there is no tomorrow.

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    Best looking luxury CUV on the market.
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    Re: Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Per EPA you'd spend about $350 more per year on gas with the Q7 over the XT6. Thank you Premium gas.

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    That is a titled more trollish than anything I ever made.. CHANGE IT ENVOY.. or U're being a hypocrite.

    Either way.. the fuel economy seems quite alright to me considering :

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    Re: Cadillac XT6 Continues To Disappoint; Fuel Economy Numbers Are Out

    Quote Originally Posted by Envoy4Life View Post
    17 City 24 Highway for the volume AWD model is just awful. But in all honesty, it's fitting that it's that bad, as it matches the rest of the car; awful. Ugly, overpriced, ****ty interior, and now... inefficient. Unbelievable.

    The fact that we waited for this long for a large Cadillac CUV and got... "this"... is a slap in the face of every Cadillac enthusiast and person who cares about the brand.

    I mean being real here, why would anybody consider this thing at the price point it occupies when cars like Aviator, X5, GLE, MDX, and XC90 can be had for less, even, or a little more money?

    Per GM's usual modus operandi... bring on the incentives. Ugh.
    you're smoking crack. Its right int he mix with those other cars.

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    I have this problem with my ATS vs my wife's C class. The ATS makes full power on 87 octane whereas the C class requires 91. IOW, any better mileage the C class may get is offset by the higher cost. That's a problem with boosted direct gas injection engines. The system leverages effective cylinder pressure to operate at a more efficient point in the Otto cycle. However, the increased pressure mandates a fuel that resists knock. To be fair, the ATS 3.6 is torque weak vs its own boosted 2.0 option or that provided by Mercedes. But it makes up for it by revving higher to make more power. The ATS V6 is also the first car I have owned that beats its EPA highway number - I do 70 on the Ohio and Pennsylvania turnpikes. All my other cars have been about 1 or 2 MPG under the EPA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rougeriver View Post
    I have this problem with my ATS vs my wife's C class. The ATS makes full power on 87 octane whereas the C class requires 91. IOW, any better mileage the C class may get is offset by the higher cost. That's a problem with boosted direct gas injection engines. The system leverages effective cylinder pressure to operate at a more efficient point in the Otto cycle. However, the increased pressure mandates a fuel that resists knock. To be fair, the ATS 3.6 is torque weak vs its own boosted 2.0 option or that provided by Mercedes. But it makes up for it by revving higher to make more power. The ATS V6 is also the first car I have owned that beats its EPA highway number - I do 70 on the Ohio and Pennsylvania turnpikes. All my other cars have been about 1 or 2 MPG under the EPA.
    This was in reply to Cmiatso. I got o get used to this format.

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    Its not embarrassingly low, TBH it was expected given where it's platform mates are. There are other aspects of the XT6 that are embarrassing. There is nothing about the XT6 that is going to garner an aspirational look from current Traverse/Enclave owners, they might scoop up a couple current XT5 owners looking for a third row, but that's about it. All that said, I may check one out when they're down in the high 30s.

    I wonder how that supercruise development is going? Probably why build and price isn't available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rougeriver View Post
    I have this problem with my ATS vs my wife's C class. The ATS makes full power on 87 octane whereas the C class requires 91. IOW, any better mileage the C class may get is offset by the higher cost. That's a problem with boosted direct gas injection engines. The system leverages effective cylinder pressure to operate at a more efficient point in the Otto cycle. However, the increased pressure mandates a fuel that resists knock. To be fair, the ATS 3.6 is torque weak vs its own boosted 2.0 option or that provided by Mercedes. But it makes up for it by revving higher to make more power. The ATS V6 is also the first car I have owned that beats its EPA highway number - I do 70 on the Ohio and Pennsylvania turnpikes. All my other cars have been about 1 or 2 MPG under the EPA.


    First of all.. HOLY ****!!! Its been a long time my boy. Since our days at AW as young Pups.. to now.. as Wolves . Cmicasa the Great and RougeRiver!!! How is everything? Great to see U again

    To your point.. Yeah.. My daughter's Cruze is pushing the turbo 1.4L as is my Ex's Encore.. Both do better on Premium than they do on regular by the seat of my pants and the computer. On the flip.. I see zero difference in performance with my 3.6L in the Impala.. and it slurps that gas faster when I use premium. I was told that it was because of the turbos on the 1.4Ls
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    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    First of all.. HOLY ****!!! Its been a long time my boy. Since our days at AW as young Pups.. to now.. as Wolves . Cmicasa the Great and RougeRiver!!! How is everything? Great to see U again

    To your point.. Yeah.. My daughter's Cruze is pushing the turbo 1.4L as is my Ex's Encore.. Both do better on Premium than they do on regular by the seat of my pants and the computer. On the flip.. I see zero difference in performance with my 3.6L in the Impala.. and it slurps that gas faster when I use premium. I was told that it was because of the turbos on the 1.4Ls
    Good to see you! I had a 2015 ATS 2.0 turbo and one reason I went to the 3.6 V6 is that it gets full power with 87 octane. It is complicated. Another factor is ignition timing. Arguably, that variable would come into play with a NA engine. However, lets not kid ourselves. All OEMs game tuning to get the best CAFE number possible while trying to also gain the best acceleration numbers from the car mags. The low end torque of the V6 does not present much of a problem for me. Traffic in the inner suburbs of MD is an exercise in patience. When I was lurking, I saw that you had a problem with the 8 speed auto. So far, mine has been flawless. Can you describe what I should look out for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    CHANGE IT ENVOY.. or U're being a hypocrite.
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    What kind of mpg's were expected? Same 3.6 in a heavy vehicle, it wasn't going to magically get 30 mpg combined. It's in the ballpark of the competition, time to move on to something more important, like the trim piece on the lower door panel.

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