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    Sad times. Nothing but tall ugly boxes on wheels everywhere.

    I shouldn’t have called a CT6-V Coupe a CT7. I shoulda called it...


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    Think new Coupe deVille!! The Escalade of Coupes, over the top in every direction.

    Google 1972 Coupe deVille to refresh your memory...
    Normally I greatly prefer cars over CUV's, though I was admiring a new Buick Enclave yesterday - that is, by far, the best looking CUV on the road.
    She's nice, but that Blazer RS, new Acadia AT4 or Denali and.. Oh.. Traverse RS have me on the fence.. Sized right and surprisingly tough enough looking


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    Re: For Cadillac, the sedan is still alive and well

    Meh, they made a massive investment in platforms that are still good enough to use. Let's see how committed they are to sedans when the time comes to design new platforms.

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    Re: For Cadillac, the sedan is still alive and well

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    I have not seen these cars, I will hold judgement until I see them in the fresh
    I've seen enough photos to completely convince me that these cars and Cadillac's new design/styling direction is not for me.

    On a side note. Since its being said that the CT-4 is a reskin if the ATS,if there is a 7th gen Camaro could it be a light reskin of the 6th gen?.

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    Re: For Cadillac, the sedan is still alive and well

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    She's nice, but that Blazer RS, new Acadia AT4 or Denali and.. Oh.. Traverse RS have me on the fence.. Sized right and surprisingly tough enough looking


    you and your "rugged" looking women fetish....We have to sit down and talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Normally I greatly prefer cars over CUV's, though I was admiring a new Buick Enclave yesterday - that is, by far, the best looking CUV on the road.
    The Enclave is definitely a looker and the styling really makes it look smaller than it really is. Yes, itís FWD based which the spec sheet snobs will decry, but the styling does not suffer because of FWD proportions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    She's nice, but that Blazer RS, new Acadia AT4 or Denali and.. Oh.. Traverse RS have me on the fence.. Sized right and surprisingly tough enough looking


    The grille on the Acadia MCE is a massive improvement, and the Acadia really looks very nicely balanced even though it only has a 112.5” ( or is it 112.7” now?) WB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Buttons View Post
    you and your "rugged" looking women fetish....We have to sit down and talk.
    What, you have a problem with those "mountaineering" granola girls or something?

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    What, you have a problem with those "mountaineering" granola girls or something?
    Only when they shave their armpits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Buttons View Post
    Only when they shave their armpits
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    Re: For Cadillac, the sedan is still alive and well

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Buttons View Post
    On a side note. Since its being said that the CT-4 is a reskin if the ATS,if there is a 7th gen Camaro could it be a light reskin of the 6th gen?.
    The CT4 is not a "light reskin". It is a very complete and thorough one!

    All exterior sheet-metal panels, all of them, are new. Every interior panel, all of them, are new. Even the steering wheel.

    The addition of this entry-level V model with a completely different engine. The transmission too is new.

    .....and that's just what we know so far.

    Sorry you don't like the design. That's fine. To each their own, as they say. But I think it's unfair to imply that the CT4 is a half-hearted effort.
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    Re: For Cadillac, the sedan is still alive and well

    Quote Originally Posted by megeebee View Post
    The CT4 is not a "light reskin". It is a very complete and thorough one!

    All exterior sheet-metal panels, all of them, are new. Every interior panel, all of them, are new. Even the steering wheel.

    The addition of this entry-level V model with a completely different engine. The transmission too is new.

    .....and that's just what we know so far.

    Sorry you don't like the design. That's fine. To each their own, as they say. But I think it's unfair to imply that the CT4 is a half-hearted effort.
    While I agree with what you are saying, keeping the bones of the ATS saved Cadillac a massive amount on development/tooling costs. According to my source, (unimpeachable and plucked straight from my butt haha) it was of the order of 30-40% versus a new from the ground up CT4. My butts on crack, so that could be off a few %.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKH View Post
    While I agree with what you are saying, keeping the bones of the ATS saved Cadillac a massive amount on development/tooling costs. According to my source, (unimpeachable and plucked straight from my butt haha) it was of the order of 30-40% versus a new from the ground up CT4. My butts on crack, so that could be off a few %.
    I don't doubt the development costs were lower than producing an all new car. That will come with the VSSR in a few years. I simply state that it's unfair to say it was somehow a quickly turned out "Band Aid,".
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    Re: For Cadillac, the sedan is still alive and well

    Quote Originally Posted by megeebee View Post
    The CT4 is not a "light reskin". It is a very complete and thorough one!

    All exterior sheet-metal panels, all of them, are new. Every interior panel, all of them, are new. Even the steering wheel.

    The addition of this entry-level V model with a completely different engine. The transmission too is new.

    .....and that's just what we know so far.

    Sorry you don't like the design. That's fine. To each their own, as they say. But I think it's unfair to imply that the CT4 is a half-hearted effort.
    Fair enough.

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    To add to that though.. Why is it necessary to redo an entire car for the sake it? The ATS was actually a fine car.. and in terms of dynamics led the segment, purposely, until the newer Guilia showed up. The interior issues.. packaging became an issue when the 3Series got larger and Cadillac failed to update the plain parts with more upscale ones even when the front end was redone in 2015. I will say that the packaging thing was actually worked out in China by elongating the thing 3 inches (ATS-L). It was my hope that the CT4 would simply utilize that move when being introduced.

    To all those that think the ATS failed.. I also would like to point out that in China they have sold about 200K since 2015 and last year alone sold 57K of them
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    Re: For Cadillac, the sedan is still alive and well

    Quote Originally Posted by megeebee View Post
    The CT4 is not a "light reskin". It is a very complete and thorough one!

    All exterior sheet-metal panels, all of them, are new. Every interior panel, all of them, are new. Even the steering wheel.

    The addition of this entry-level V model with a completely different engine. The transmission too is new.

    .....and that's just what we know so far.

    Sorry you don't like the design. That's fine. To each their own, as they say. But I think it's unfair to imply that the CT4 is a half-hearted effort.
    Except it really isn't though.

    CT4 shares ATS's DLO and architecture, down to door pulls and location of certain electrical equipment and switchgear, namely the location of the shifter, rheostat, and speakers. Hell, the side view mirrors, rheostat insert, lock/unlock switches, and door handles are the exact same parts as the ones in the ATS.







    In addition to this, the interior dimensions are identical, down to the tenths. It's the same car between the front and rear.

    It was a minimal cost "all-new" product. I'm not going to give it any more credit than that.
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