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    Re: WHAM!!! Cadillac Explains the C-Pillar in Interview with Automobile Magazine

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    How much cash do U people think was saved fabricating a piece of dedicated plastic over a piece of glass? The statements here, not to mention the obsession over this teeny tiny piece of the car is unreal.
    I haven't been in the car. Would it even be a functioning window if it were glass? Can you see though it, or is it purely a trim piece? From the pics of the car, located where it is it appears to be only a trim piece. So why make it glass? if it is a high quality plastic like the piano black in some interiors, then it's just fine. There really wouldn't be a difference in appearance between glass and glossy piano black.

    If is a truly bizarre obsession.
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    Re: WHAM!!! Cadillac Explains the C-Pillar in Interview with Automobile Magazine

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    I haven't been in the car. Would it even be a functioning window if it were glass? Can you see though it, or is it purely a trim piece? From the pics of the car, located where it is it appears to be only a trim piece. So why make it glass? if it is a high quality plastic like the piano black in some interiors, then it's just fine. There really wouldn't be a difference in appearance between glass and glossy piano black.

    If is a truly bizarre obsession.
    Like Glenn Close boiling a rabbit in a pot obsessive.



    Here it is.. if it were glass.. one would have to be a rubber neck to contortion their head far enough back that they could see out of it




    and here it is up close. I see zero need to obsess over it like this.. but alas.. if one of the German companies came out with it U'd never here a peep from the usual suspects.

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    Re: WHAM!!! Cadillac Explains the C-Pillar in Interview with Automobile Magazine

    and apparently this is now the epitome of Good Looking mid-sized luxury :



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    Re: WHAM!!! Cadillac Explains the C-Pillar in Interview with Automobile Magazine

    Quote Originally Posted by ksr View Post
    If they built the Elmiraj or Ciel, it would be very expensive. And because of that, it won't sell. And the whining about price here on GMI will be epic (which would be fun to read if nothing else).
    There's an old truism in the auto biz: it doesn't cost any more to design an attractive car than it does to design an unattractive car. There is no reason that Cadillac could not release a car with the styling of the Elmiraj or Ciel, for some inexplicable reason Cadillac chose not to. Meanwhile, they've spent more than a decade and untold $billions giving the market product that has not resonated (i.e. not good sales).

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    There's an old truism in the auto biz: it doesn't cost any more to design an attractive car than it does to design an unattractive car. There is no reason that Cadillac could not release a car with the styling of the Elmiraj or Ciel, for some inexplicable reason Cadillac chose not to. Meanwhile, they've spent more than a decade and untold $billions giving the market product that has not resonated (i.e. not good sales).
    I can't say that I understand some of the design choices made at GM, in particular with the current Camaro.

    But I think that "truism" is an oversimplification.
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    Re: WHAM!!! Cadillac Explains the C-Pillar in Interview with Automobile Magazine

    Quote Originally Posted by 62Lincoln View Post
    There's an old truism in the auto biz: it doesn't cost any more to design an attractive car than it does to design an unattractive car. There is no reason that Cadillac could not release a car with the styling of the Elmiraj or Ciel, for some inexplicable reason Cadillac chose not to. Meanwhile, they've spent more than a decade and untold $billions giving the market product that has not resonated (i.e. not good sales).
    One thing I will agree with is the fact that GM has a crazy habit of producing the most stunning concepts.. but never releasing the, I can only think of a few they have.. being the gen2 SRX, CTS Coupe, XTS, Gen2 Lacrosse and Converj. A release of the Sixteen, Cien, Ciel, ElMiraj, Escala, Avenir, Avista.. none of them made it, yet each would have completed their desired resurgence on looks alone.
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    Re: WHAM!!! Cadillac Explains the C-Pillar in Interview with Automobile Magazine

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    One thing I will agree with is the fact that GM has a crazy habit of producing the most stunning concepts.. but never releasing the, I can only think of a few they have.. being the gen2 SRX, CTS Coupe, XTS, Gen2 Lacrosse and Converj. A release of the Sixteen, Cien, Ciel, ElMiraj, Escala, Avenir, Avista.. none of them made it, yet each would have completed their desired resurgence on looks alone.
    True. Those latter mentioned ones would have done much to spur interest and a revival at Cadillac and Buick IMO.

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    Re: WHAM!!! Cadillac Explains the C-Pillar in Interview with Automobile Magazine

    Just get rid of that stupid appendage on the trim!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksr View Post

    I haven't been in the car. Would it even be a functioning window if it were glass? Can you see though it, or is it purely a trim piece? From the pics of the car, located where it is it appears to be only a trim piece. So why make it glass? if it is a high quality plastic like the piano black in some interiors, then it's just fine. There really wouldn't be a difference in appearance between glass and glossy piano black.

    If is a truly bizarre obsession.
    Was at NY auto show. While you can’t sit in the car, you can tell that this would not be a functioning window. Not even close. From the outside you’d be looking at what is behind the headrest or something more structural. If you had glass there, would need to be blacked out completely on the inside.

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    Re: WHAM!!! Cadillac Explains the C-Pillar in Interview with Automobile Magazine

    I certainly is a design that has grow on me since first seeing it. Looking at the offerings from BMW and MB, Cadillac has nothing to worry about in the styling dept. Now about that coupe version???

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    Re: WHAM!!! Cadillac Explains the C-Pillar in Interview with Automobile Magazine

    Quote Originally Posted by 62Lincoln View Post
    There's an old truism in the auto biz: it doesn't cost any more to design an attractive car than it does to design an unattractive car. There is no reason that Cadillac could not release a car with the styling of the Elmiraj or Ciel,
    Generally speaking, true. But the cost to design a vehicle and the economics of building and selling them are completely different things. Either of the cars you list would be HELLA-expensive and sales would be nearly non-existent in a current market that doesn't like large expensive coupes or large expensive 4-door convertibles.

    Have you ever seen a picture of the Ciel with the top up? You never will. It doesn't have one. The area needed in the trunk to accommodate the huge top required would have necessitated a much larger rear quarter area. That would have rendered a beautiful car very much LESS than beautiful.

    The fewer of a vehicle that get built and sold, the higher the unit cost to the maker. In turn, the higher the price asked for the vehicle and the higher the potential losses. Look at the ELR. All but identical to its Concept.
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    Re: WHAM!!! Cadillac Explains the C-Pillar in Interview with Automobile Magazine

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    Like Glenn Close boiling a rabbit in a pot obsessive.



    Here it is.. if it were glass.. one would have to be a rubber neck to contortion their head far enough back that they could see out of it




    and here it is up close. I see zero need to obsess over it like this.. but alas.. if one of the German companies came out with it U'd never here a peep from the usual suspects.

    Ironic that some of us say that little rear fake window thingy and chrome treatment remind us of the new Accord, and right behind it is the big HONDA signage for the show. lol
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    ^^^ it was not lost on me
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    Re: WHAM!!! Cadillac Explains the C-Pillar in Interview with Automobile Magazine

    Cadillac chose rear legroom and styling over headroom and trunkspace. That didn't pan out for Lacrosse, which sold in 2018 a quarter of 2010. The XTS, with plenty of trunkspace and decent headroom, only lost half its sales between 2014 and 2018, in fact rose a bit last year while outselling the less expensive Buick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ral1960 View Post
    Cadillac chose rear legroom and styling over headroom and trunkspace. That didn't pan out for Lacrosse, which sold in 2018 a quarter of 2010. The XTS, with plenty of trunkspace and decent headroom, only lost half its sales between 2014 and 2018, in fact rose a bit last year while outselling the less expensive Buick.
    XTS also went Black Car heavy in 2017. I really thought they should have kept the XTS, Impala, and LaX.. the XTS if for no other reason than it was extremely profitable even in fleet duty
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