The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

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    The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

    The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5
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    November 5, 2019



    Remember when American luxury meant stuff like Lincoln Continentals and Towncars, Cadillac Devilles, Sevilles and Fleetwoods, Buick Park Avenues and Roadmasters, and the like? Not anymore! The Cadillac CT6-V, which ironically is cheaper than the "base" 4.2-liter V8 model (which is starting at the Platinum trim level), produces 550 horsepower and 640 lb-ft of torque. Those 640 foot-pounds start at 3,400 rpm, which is comparable to the Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat's 650 lb-ft at 4,800 rpm, as well as the BMW M5's 553 lb-ft from 1,800 to 5,700+ rpm. Oh, and the CT6-V comes with all-wheel-drive. The Mercedes-AMG E 63 S produces 627 lb-ft from 2,500 to 4,500 rpm.

    The CT6-V is governed to 149 mph, but with the speed limiter lifted it can hit 200 mph (or even more), which beats the M5's 189 mph and the Mercedes-AMG E 63's 186. The Hellcat can hit 204 mph in standard-body form and 196 mph in Widebody form.
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    Re: The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

    Damn. That's awesome.
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    Re: The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

    Not to be a "hater" but this was done on a simulator. Do we even know the accuracy of this simulator...? Does this even matter?

    I won't say I'm not impressed - this is very good for the future of the real V Caddies. It just doesn't speak to the target market that much. Faster than the Hellcat? Not sure how many people are cross-shopping those vehicles. Faster than the M5 and E63? Not sure how many BMW & MB loyalists care.

    People are unlikely to care about this, especially coming from a simulator. People need a reason beyond top speed to jump brands.

    That said, as a GM fan, this engine looks pretty impressive!
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    Re: The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

    Does it matter? Perhaps not. No one who buys these cars ever hits the top speed. But they may like hearing which car is fastest. Bragging rights. Likely won't sway many BMW or M-B loyalists, but maybe a couple. And it could attract a new buyer in this tiny segment.
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    Re: The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

    Why do you put that much power in a car, then limit it to 149 MPH? That doesn't make any sense. I know no one will drive these cars that fast, but if you are going to give it that much power, let the car use it all.

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    Re: The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

    This is still not a real V Cadillac.. it’s a V Spprt

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    Re: The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

    Awesome! Nothing else to be said about this car!

    I didn't realize that Ford and FCA measure their hp differently than GM. Is this true for all of their vehicles or just these high hp engines? I had no idea that Dodge's huge 700+ hp beast is actually a little less hp than Chevy's best when using the same forms of measurements.

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    Re: The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

    Quote Originally Posted by zeobandit View Post
    Why do you put that much power in a car, then limit it to 149 MPH? That doesn't make any sense. I know no one will drive these cars that fast, but if you are going to give it that much power, let the car use it all.
    Could be anything. Heck the wiper blades on my vagon are different than the non-V version because of speed. Hoods have occasionally come flying off at high speeds. There is more to going fast than having a big engine.

    Consider, 150 is like a strong hurricane or tornado wind speed and you have to add in another 20/30 if you have a normal headwind. Pretty awesome forces at play on the exterior.
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    Re: The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

    Great car Caddy. One glaring omission though is the Dodge's are RWD-only, while the rest are AWD. I think the M5 allows the user to disconnect the fronts if desired. I wish Caddy would do the same or do a RWD-only option. My money would still be on a Scat Pack at around $50K loaded up. Yes you lose a second 0-60 and the 1/4, but you get to have a lot more fun (arguably). I get that they are not in the same class. Nice to have options if you want. I think if I had money to burn I would by the Caddy CT6-V even with the AWD I don't like.

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    Re: The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

    Ok...so no one here is going to mention that the "Officially" in the title of the article is BS. This 212mph top speed is theoretical based on a computer sim where in reality its limited to 149mph.
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    Re: The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

    After reading these two sentences, the author lost any shred of credibility in my mind:

    It should be noted that Dodge (along with Jaguar and Ford) rates their cars in bhp, rather than wheel hp like Cadillac, BMW, or Mercedes. The "550-hp" Cadillac might actually be 650-hp.
    Seriously, manufacturers rating hp at the wheels? Iím sure that C8 dyno was totally accurate, too. GM, at least, certifies hp using the SAE J1349 standard, and they have starting with the LS7 back in Ď06. That was 505 hp using that standard and usually dynoed in the 440s at the tire. Are there cars that are underrated out there? Iím sure there are, but by 100 hp? I also take issue with the assertion that several manufacturers are either over or underrating ALL of their cars by 15%. As heavily scrutinized as this industry is today, does that seem like itíd really be possible? Itís the sort of rumor that might have legs back before the internet and dynos became common, but I donít know how it does today. Certain cars and engines over or underrated? Sure, Iíd believe that, but manufacturers categorically? No, I donít think so.

    Then thereís the headline. How can it be ďofficiallyĒ faster if it canít go that speed in stock form and it was all based on a simulation using, Iím not kidding, Adobe Flash Player? Serious engineering simulations going on there.

    Iím sure the numbers on the car will be good. I just donít think we need to rely on hyperbole to hype up the performance of a 550 hp car.

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    Re: The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisNJ View Post
    Great car Caddy. One glaring omission though is the Dodge's are RWD-only, while the rest are AWD. I think the M5 allows the user to disconnect the fronts if desired. I wish Caddy would do the same or do a RWD-only option. My money would still be on a Scat Pack at around $50K loaded up. Yes you lose a second 0-60 and the 1/4, but you get to have a lot more fun (arguably). I get that they are not in the same class. Nice to have options if you want. I think if I had money to burn I would by the Caddy CT6-V even with the AWD I don't like.
    I don't know if this holds true for the CT6-V, but putting my AWD ATS into sport mode for all intents makes it RWD, making it pretty easy to swing the back end out. I learned this the hard way after taking a left out of my car wash (after having the black stuff put on my tires which makes them a little slick for a minute) and almost lost control of the car, fishtailing down the road. I was in sport mode, I now make sure I'm in touring when I get my car washed

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    Re: The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

    Quote Originally Posted by chris442 View Post
    After reading these two sentences, the author lost any shred of credibility in my mind:



    Seriously, manufacturers rating hp at the wheels? I’m sure that C8 dyno was totally accurate, too. GM, at least, certifies hp using the SAE J1349 standard, and they have starting with the LS7 back in ‘06. That was 505 hp using that standard and usually dynoed in the 440s at the tire. Are there cars that are underrated out there? I’m sure there are, but by 100 hp? I also take issue with the assertion that several manufacturers are either over or underrating ALL of their cars by 15%. As heavily scrutinized as this industry is today, does that seem like it’d really be possible? It’s the sort of rumor that might have legs back before the internet and dynos became common, but I don’t know how it does today. Certain cars and engines over or underrated? Sure, I’d believe that, but manufacturers categorically? No, I don’t think so.

    Then there’s the headline. How can it be “officially” faster if it can’t go that speed in stock form and it was all based on a simulation using, I’m not kidding, Adobe Flash Player? Serious engineering simulations going on there.

    I’m sure the numbers on the car will be good. I just don’t think we need to rely on hyperbole to hype up the performance of a 550 hp car.
    I once got a Stock Challenger Hellcat up to 220 playing Forza on my xbox one...so I guess by his standards its officially faster right?
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    Re: The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

    The Yugo X90 is even Faster!

    #1 Where is the CT6-V? I have heard talk, even know someone waiting for His, still No Car! And it's a 2019 Model!
    #2 On Paper, on In Space or maybe on Disney's Rock n Roll Rollercoaster. I will wait for the Real Numbers.
    #3 149 mph is not 204 mph. A Stock Vehicle is the way it left the Factory. A Modified Vehicle is a Modified Stock Vehicle, so a Yugo might go 205 mph.

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    Re: The Cadillac CT6-V Is Officially Faster Than The Dodge Charger Hellcat & BMW M5

    I'm just glad this wasn't released by GM.

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