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    Re: Cadillac CT6 Pricing Changing Drastically For 2020 Model Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Vagon11 View Post
    Then I guess you are also not interested in the 740i starting at 86 grand with a 3L turbo that makes 335hp?
    I mentioned the Audi A8 with pretty much the same power, but a sticker price way north of the CT6. Cadillac gets held to a different standard, especially to uninformed posters.

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    Re: Cadillac CT6 Pricing Changing Drastically For 2020 Model Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Vagon11 View Post
    Then I guess you are also not interested in the 740i starting at 86 grand with a 3L turbo that makes 335hp?
    Why didn't you acknowledge the huge difference in torque ratings?

    Cadillac CTS 3.6L V6: 330/284
    BMW 740i 3.0L I6: 335/330

    Not only that, peak torque on the Caddy is only reached at 5,300RPM compared to 1,500RPM for the BMW. These engines are as far apart as you can be and still share a displacement.
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    Re: Cadillac CT6 Pricing Changing Drastically For 2020 Model Year

    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    Why didn't you acknowledge the huge difference in torque ratings?

    Cadillac CTS 3.6L V6: 330/284
    BMW 740i 3.0L I6: 335/330

    Not only that, peak torque on the Caddy is only reached at 5,300RPM compared to 1,500RPM for the BMW. These engines are as far apart as you can be and still share a displacement. The Cadillac is WAY overpriced with that engine.
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    The difference in performance between the G02 740i and CT6 3.6 is just as dramatic. Car and Driver recorded a 4.8 second 0-60 time for the 2016 740i they tested - more than a second quicker than CT6 3.6. In fact, that 740i recorded a quicker 0-60 time than the CT6 3.0TT.

    And that's with the 320 hp version of the B58 engine!
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    Re: Cadillac CT6 Pricing Changing Drastically For 2020 Model Year

    Does anyone know why they dropped the 400hp 3.0TT from the CT6? My guess is they wanted to keep the cheaper/simpler 3.6L in the lineup for "black car" services (XTS is going away), but why not keep the 3.0TT as an option or something? Or even have the 3.6L as a "delete" option for fleets? Don't get it. Of course you keep the 4.2TT for the high-$$ models.
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    Re: Cadillac CT6 Pricing Changing Drastically For 2020 Model Year

    Quote Originally Posted by SKH View Post
    I mentioned the Audi A8 with pretty much the same power, but a sticker price way north of the CT6. Cadillac gets held to a different standard, especially to uninformed posters.
    I said it once.. and maybe 50,000 more times..Americans are one of the most self loathing people's on the planet. They are also oblivious to reality outside of marketing. Cadillac's fault on the last.. and they could, with this product show the world what they are made of once and for good.

    Again.. introduce an Opulent package. Charge $6K for it on the Platinum. Lather the entire interior in leather, even in the most mundane places.. brushed metal on black plastic switches.. disappearing air vents.. replaced by wood, minimal gapped spacing.. 16 different color interiors, with even a special $995 charge for certain special colors... play up and boast about their iconic velour soft seats.. and tag line it "Standard of the World.. in all Things including Engineering that works" Then show a POS broken down Audi being towed away on a roll back.. Just another day in the life
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    Re: Cadillac CT6 Pricing Changing Drastically For 2020 Model Year

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    I said it once.. and maybe 50,000 more times..Americans are one of the most self loathing people's on the planet. They are also oblivious to reality outside of marketing. Cadillac's fault on the last.. and they could, with this product show the world what they are made of once and for good.

    Again.. introduce an Opulent package. Charge $6K for it on the Platinum. Lather the entire interior in leather, even in the most mundane places.. brushed metal on black plastic switches.. disappearing air vents.. replaced by wood, minimal gapped spacing.. 16 different color interiors, with even a special $995 charge for certain special colors... play up and boast about their iconic velour soft seats.. and tag line it "Standard of the World.. in all Things including Engineering that works" Then show a POS broken down Audi being towed away on a roll back.. Just another day in the life
    Repeating false assertions - and the quoted post is replete with them - do not make them true.

    Still, I enjoy reading your posts, as I too dream of Cadillac regaining its past glory some day should GM sell the brand to a better steward.
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    Re: Cadillac CT6 Pricing Changing Drastically For 2020 Model Year

    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    Repeating false assertions - and the quoted post is replete with them - do not make them true.

    Still, I enjoy reading your posts, as I too dream of Cadillac regaining its past glory some day should GM sell the brand to a better steward.
    Having owned a couple of the most expensive German vehicles made in the early and mid 2000s.. my qualification comes from one of hate for their products. They are POSs and their engineering, while great in handling and engine smoothness.. is second to none except the Italians for being falsely deified in the automotive world as actually being.. engineered great. Because great engineering works.. at least.. hell.. 85% of the time. The day that I buy or recommend a German automotive again I actually require someone take me out back and whip the **** outta me til I come back to my senses.

    Again.. I seriously advise U against parking your 3series in anyone's attached garage
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    Re: Cadillac CT6 Pricing Changing Drastically For 2020 Model Year

    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    Why didn't you acknowledge the huge difference in torque ratings?

    Cadillac CTS 3.6L V6: 330/284
    BMW 740i 3.0L I6: 335/330

    Not only that, peak torque on the Caddy is only reached at 5,300RPM compared to 1,500RPM for the BMW. These engines are as far apart as you can be and still share a displacement.
    For 30 grand more, it ought to. Or for 30 grand more, you COULD get the 4.2TT in the caddy in platinum. My suspicion is marketing felt CT6 buyers would fall into two camps. Those that don't even know what engine is under the hood and those that do and want the best. The 3.0TT doesn't fit either profile, so take rate would be low. I personally am on the fence for the CT6. I like it, but I'd prefer a 2 door. So I can either wait (still love my wagon) and hope for a coupe in the next 2 years, or go with the CT6. I have zero interest in the germans.

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    Re: Cadillac CT6 Pricing Changing Drastically For 2020 Model Year

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    Having owned a couple of the most expensive German vehicles made in the early and mid 2000s.. my qualification comes from one of hate for their products. They are POSs and their engineering, while great in handling and engine smoothness.. is second to none except the Italians for being falsely deified in the automotive world as actually being.. engineered great. Because great engineering works.. at least.. hell.. 85% of the time. The day that I buy or recommend a German automotive again I actually require someone take me out back and whip the **** outta me til I come back to my senses.

    Again.. I seriously advise U against parking your 3series in anyone's attached garage

    It doesn't help that the early to mid 2000s was the time period into which the Germans were at their most unreliable. Your run of the mill 3-series is far more dependable today.

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    Re: Cadillac CT6 Pricing Changing Drastically For 2020 Model Year

    Quote Originally Posted by SKH View Post
    I mentioned the Audi A8 with pretty much the same power, but a sticker price way north of the CT6. Cadillac gets held to a different standard, especially to uninformed posters.
    There's still the stigma of the 3.6 being in, well, everything. It is a great motor, and I'm sure in the CT6 it's a great performer. But the reality is BMW and Mercedes ARE luxury marques and do not have $30,000 LaCrosses with the same exact engine. Or lower trim Camaros. Or sub-$40,000 SUVs. Or Impala sedans.


    At minimum GM needs to make a version of the 3.6 SPECIFICALLY for Cadillac. Different heads. Intake. Whatever. Just make it different. Because the perception is using this engine in a $60k+ car is CHEAP!!!

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    Re: Cadillac CT6 Pricing Changing Drastically For 2020 Model Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Serpens View Post
    It doesn't help that the early to mid 2000s was the time period into which the Germans were at their most unreliable. Your run of the mill 3-series is far more dependable today.
    $160K between two cars I think I'll pass on trying out the newer more expensive and less attractive ones. Caddy is making fine, gorgeous, awesome performing prestige these days.. on my 4th.. and outside of the first.. a 2005 STS 4.6l having issues with Onstar initially... I'm happy as a pig in slop.
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    Re: Cadillac CT6 Pricing Changing Drastically For 2020 Model Year

    Quote Originally Posted by fastbal1 View Post
    There's still the stigma of the 3.6 being in, well, everything. It is a great motor, and I'm sure in the CT6 it's a great performer. But the reality is BMW and Mercedes ARE luxury marques and do not have $30,000 LaCrosses with the same exact engine. Or lower trim Camaros. Or sub-$40,000 SUVs. Or Impala sedans.


    At minimum GM needs to make a version of the 3.6 SPECIFICALLY for Cadillac. Different heads. Intake. Whatever. Just make it different. Because the perception is using this engine in a $60k+ car is CHEAP!!!
    are we saying the Germans don't use any engines designed for lower cars in their upper vehicles? Because I'm sure a lil research will prove that wrong. Hell wasn;t the CLA's engine built by Nissan?
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    Re: Cadillac CT6 Pricing Changing Drastically For 2020 Model Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Serpens View Post
    It doesn't help that the early to mid 2000s was the time period into which the Germans were at their most unreliable. Your run of the mill 3-series is far more dependable today.
    So how many people do not buy GM/F products because of bad experiences in the 80's?

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    Re: Cadillac CT6 Pricing Changing Drastically For 2020 Model Year

    Quote Originally Posted by Vagon11 View Post
    So how many people do not buy GM/F products because of bad experiences in the 80's?
    They basically lost a an entire generation of buyers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagon11 View Post
    So how many people do not buy GM/F products because of bad experiences in the 80's?
    Yup. 30 years.. some 40.. and they will still bring up **** that was long long ago. Meanwhile Toyota went on a killing spree back in '09.. Honda was ripping Trannys outta cars well.. still.. BMWs won't start.. or when they do POOF! Ball of flames.. Don't even get me started on Range Rover, Jag, or Audi and their electrical systems. But that lasts in the minds or American consumers a NY Minute. Sad
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