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    Re: Cadillac CT4 and CT4-V pricing revealed, starts at $33,990

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert1969 View Post
    If being on the same platform as an ATS makes it in the ATS class then, f###, so is the Camaro. This is ridiculous. It’s priced like the A Class and the A3, which means you should expect it to be similarly equipped to those models rather than the C Class or the 3 Series.
    It's not just on the same platform as the ATS...it is the freaking ATS! You must still believe that Clark Kent and Superman are two different people...Clark does wear glasses while Superman clearly doesn't.
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    Re: Cadillac CT4 and CT4-V pricing revealed, starts at $33,990

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    It's not just on the same platform as the ATS...it is the freaking ATS! You must still believe that Clark Kent and Superman are two different people...Clark does wear glasses while Superman clearly doesn't.
    It's funny but we actually lost sales to people who were looking for an SRX but purchased something else because they couldn't find the SRX on Cadillac's website. Sure, we would tell the confused shoppers about the name change but there were people who we never got to talk to until it was too late.
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    Re: Cadillac CT4 and CT4-V pricing revealed, starts at $33,990

    Am I wrong in thinking that the CT4's starting price is very similar to
    the 2013 ATS?

    Seven years later, Cadillac seems to have appropriate pricing.

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    Re: Cadillac CT4 and CT4-V pricing revealed, starts at $33,990

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    Is the Chevy spark a full sized ultra-lux coupe?

    CT4 = ATS = 3/C Class....all are compact luxury sedans.



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    Re: Cadillac CT4 and CT4-V pricing revealed, starts at $33,990

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    It's not anti Cadillac hackery...riddle me this:

    What car/segment did the ATS compete in? Are the CT4s dimensions exactly the same as the ATS? So how is the CT4 now a class smaller?

    Hackery on my part? No...Hackery and jedi mind tricks on GMs part? Youbetcha
    Maybe GM lessened the interior volume or just the number of the CT-4 mind tricking people into thinking the CT-4 is in a lower class level (the A3 and A Class) while retaining the exterior dimensions the of the CT-4's predecessor the ATS,which was a 3Series /C-Class competitor to make the CT-4 look like it was a greater value by making it appear you were getting more in a lower class level?

    We all know these days that it isn't the exterior dimensions that classify a vehicle as compact,mid-size or full-size,it's the interior volume.

    So theoretically if DannyNG's Sonic has more interior volume than a Rolls Royce Betanyaga it could be considered a competitor of that vehicle at a price point far far cheaper than the class it's competing in.

    I'll probably make some revisions to this post later...But here is the rough idea for now.

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    Re: Cadillac CT4 and CT4-V pricing revealed, starts at $33,990

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    Am I wrong in thinking that the CT4's starting price is very similar to
    the 2013 ATS?

    Seven years later, Cadillac seems to have appropriate pricing.
    I noticed that too - I was thinking the pricing was very similar to my '13 ATS, though I'll have to see the content at specific price points.

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    Re: Cadillac CT4 and CT4-V pricing revealed, starts at $33,990

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    It's not anti Cadillac hackery...riddle me this:

    What car/segment did the ATS compete in? Are the CT4s dimensions exactly the same as the ATS? So how is the CT4 now a class smaller?

    Hackery on my part? No...Hackery and jedi mind tricks on GMs part? Youbetcha

    Totally agree. GM can say that this car competes against whatever it wants. But CT4 is the same size as before. Cars compete against cars of the same size. It's competition for the 3/C. By pricing it as they have, maybe it's the budget competition to the 3/C, but that is the comparison that people will make.

    It's possible that people in the market for something smaller will look at the Cadillac and see that they can get a bigger car for the same price. Fine. But the bulk of the takers of this car won't be comparing it to something a class smaller.

    Considering how sedan sales are plummeting and Cadillac is so far behind now, maybe being the budget alternative isn't a bad strategy. Bragging about ATP is pretty silly when sales levels are at ATS or CTS numbers. No way that recoups development costs. Profits may not be great (or even exist) if they move more volume via lower costs, but if they still want to be in the sedan game, this may be the only strategy. Even BMW is talking about cutting models. Of course, pricing Cadillac this low seems to eliminate the need for cars from Buick or Chevrolet, but Buick will soon be out of the car business and Chevy is cutting way back.
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    Re: Cadillac CT4 and CT4-V pricing revealed, starts at $33,990

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    I dont give 2 poops what GM is claiming this is positioned against, this is a budget 3 competitor.
    I disagree. Way too small.

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    Re: Cadillac CT4 and CT4-V pricing revealed, starts at $33,990

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    Am I wrong in thinking that the CT4's starting price is very similar to
    the 2013 ATS?

    Seven years later, Cadillac seems to have appropriate pricing.
    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    I noticed that too - I was thinking the pricing was very similar to my '13 ATS, though I'll have to see the content at specific price points.
    jpd80 and BlackGTP are right on the mark! Here's the press release for 2013 Cadillac ATS:

    2013 Cadillac ATS Priced from $33,990

    Note that the $33,990 price applied to the 2.5L ATS Standard model, not the 2.0T Standard. The latter was priced at $35,795.

    Feature enhancements for 2020 CT4 Luxury ($33,990 in 2019 dollars) versus 2013 ATS 2.5L Standard ($33,990 in 2012 dollars):
    • 237 hp 2.0L turbo engine (versus 200 hp 2.5L engine)
    • 8-speed automatic transmission (versus 6-speed)
    • Turn signal indicator in exterior mirror housing
    • LED headlamps
    • capless fuel fill
    • 12 way power driver seat
    • split folding rear seat
    • CUE infotainment system with 8" display
    • LED Reflective Windshield Alert
    • electronic parking brake
    • rear view camera
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    Re: Cadillac CT4 and CT4-V pricing revealed, starts at $33,990

    The issue here isn't which class its defined in. The issue is that they are a day late and a dollar short.

    As someone already says, the CT4 competitors are already out and anyone looking to buy in that class (whatever it is) is a small population. By the time we see them in the streets (if we do), most potential CT4 buyers would have already purchased something else.

    It's pointless to try to carve out a slice of a pie when your 3 hours late to the party.
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    Re: Cadillac CT4 and CT4-V pricing revealed, starts at $33,990

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    Am I wrong in thinking that the CT4's starting price is very similar to
    the 2013 ATS?

    Seven years later, Cadillac seems to have appropriate pricing.
    Yeah, but six years (almost 7 years) of inflation means that’s a big price reduction. And that was also consistent with the pricing of the 3 series at the time.
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    Re: Cadillac CT4 and CT4-V pricing revealed, starts at $33,990

    Quote Originally Posted by GMOwner View Post
    The issue here isn't which class its defined in. The issue is that they are a day late and a dollar short.

    As someone already says, the CT4 competitors are already out and anyone looking to buy in that class (whatever it is) is a small population. By the time we see them in the streets (if we do), most potential CT4 buyers would have already purchased something else.

    It's pointless to try to carve out a slice of a pie when your 3 hours late to the party.
    Does everyone buy at the same time?
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    Re: Cadillac CT4 and CT4-V pricing revealed, starts at $33,990

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert1969 View Post
    Yeah, but six years (almost 7 years) of inflation means that’s a big price reduction. And that was also consistent with the pricing of the 3 series at the time.
    +1

    $33,990 (USD) in 2012 = $38,011.61 in 2019
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    Re: Cadillac CT4 and CT4-V pricing revealed, starts at $33,990

    Quote Originally Posted by kool1 View Post
    I disagree. Way too small.
    BMW 3 LxWxH = 186x72x57
    CT4 LxWxH = 187x71.5x56

    That's about as even 2 cars from 2 companies can be.
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    Re: Cadillac CT4 and CT4-V pricing revealed, starts at $33,990

    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    jpd80 and BlackGTP are right on the mark! Here's the press release for 2013 Cadillac ATS:

    2013 Cadillac ATS Priced from $33,990

    Note that the $33,990 price applied to the 2.5L ATS Standard model, not the 2.0T Standard. The latter was priced at $35,795.

    Feature enhancements for 2020 CT4 Luxury ($33,990 in 2019 dollars) versus 2013 ATS 2.5L Standard ($33,990 in 2012 dollars):
    • 237 hp 2.0L turbo engine (versus 200 hp 2.5L engine)
    • 8-speed automatic transmission (versus 6-speed)
    • Turn signal indicator in exterior mirror housing
    • LED headlamps
    • capless fuel fill
    • 12 way power driver seat
    • split folding rear seat
    • CUE infotainment system with 8" display
    • LED Reflective Windshield Alert
    • electronic parking brake
    • rear view camera
    The presser says tweaks to Alpha platform include:

    “Enhancements of the front and rear suspension systems, including Cadillac’s signature double-pivot MacPherson-type front suspension (with dual lower ball joints), are designed to improve road isolation and driver feedback.”

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