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    Re: Cadillac Could Be Working On A Supercharged Escalade With 650 HP

    They would be foolish not to, perhaps its a 550 HP Blackwing Cadillac?

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    Re: Cadillac Could Be Working On A Supercharged Escalade With 650 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by canadian.bacon View Post
    yea, but if they bring out the Grand Wagoneer with the hellcat engine?
    Why wouldn't they? Grand Cherokee is available already with a 707 hp supercharged engine. They are not retarded. GM's response is so slow it calls them into question in that regard.

    I will cut them slack and say they are pre-occupied with other things. Things that cost them money instead of making them money, like electrics and autonomous. Bull****.

    That is no way to run the business. Jeep outflanks Cadillac in street performance??? They already totally OWN offroad. What exactly is GM waiting for?

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    Re: Cadillac Could Be Working On A Supercharged Escalade With 650 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    They would be foolish not to, perhaps its a 550 HP Blackwing Cadillac?

    Perhaps it's not.

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    Re: Cadillac Could Be Working On A Supercharged Escalade With 650 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by SKH View Post
    I'm of the opinion, that a coupe CUV/SUV (X4, X6 etc) is the answer to the question that nobody asked. Utility pfffft, so over rated!
    Utility is really overrated...once a year max utilization shouldn't be the sole driver of design. When was the last time you spotted an Escalade or any full lux SUV loaded to the roof with crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by PastorChevyGuy View Post
    Everyone is doing the coupe-SUV, bring back the EXT.
    No one is doing a full size coupe-UV. The amount of rear seat space/amenities that could be had here with eschewing the 3rd row would be ridiculous.
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    Re: Cadillac Could Be Working On A Supercharged Escalade With 650 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by SKH View Post
    Perhaps it's not.
    GM is going to make the most economical decision, I expect the lt4/5....assuming that the hard points for all of the ohv v8s are the same requiring no recasting of any blocks.
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    Re: Cadillac Could Be Working On A Supercharged Escalade With 650 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by PastorChevyGuy View Post
    Your move Lincoln....

    Oh that's right, the Navigator only comes with a V6 now.
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    That's FCA, Ford doesn't have the balls to make a performance Navi.
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    Re: Cadillac Could Be Working On A Supercharged Escalade With 650 HP

    Hot damn, Good move Cadillac.

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    Re: Cadillac Could Be Working On A Supercharged Escalade With 650 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by SKH View Post
    Perhaps it's not.
    I know you know more than you're allowed to say, but thanks for sharing the tidbits you do give us.

    I can't imagine the 550 HP Blackwing being enough of a boost on an obese vehicle like this when the LT4 exists. If they don't go LT4 on this (or bigger/better) it would feel like they only went half way... again.

    To be honest, I could see a 550 HP trimmed Denali working out. That would leave the top-tier to the Cadillac while still giving the Denali something special to price up toward $85-90K.
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    Re: Cadillac Could Be Working On A Supercharged Escalade With 650 HP

    I hope Cadillac pays as much attention to the interior as they do to performance.

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    Re: Cadillac Could Be Working On A Supercharged Escalade With 650 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    Navigator will do it with Electrification, and with WAY more torque. See Aviator GT, Explorer ST PHEV, and soon F-150 as an illustration. Also coming to a Mustang GT V8 near you.
    I think that’s fine but, if electrification is the only way that they counter this, a good number of folks will stay away. I’m interested in a blown 5.2L V8 powered Navigator. I’m not really a player for a 3.5L EB Navigator hybrid and I’m guessing in not the only one.

    If Ford offered a 5.2L SC Navigator ‘LST’ I’m betting they could and would sell every one they would be willing to build.

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    Re: Cadillac Could Be Working On A Supercharged Escalade With 650 HP

    What kind of vehicle should this be? Should it be a V or should it be a Platinum Ultra (or something like that)? I'm thinking no matter what they do to the suspension it is still a high center of gravity and heavy vehicle, not a sports car.

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    Re: Cadillac Could Be Working On A Supercharged Escalade With 650 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    Utility is really overrated...once a year max utilization shouldn't be the sole driver of design. When was the last time you spotted an Escalade or any full lux SUV loaded to the roof with crap?



    No one is doing a full size coupe-UV. The amount of rear seat space/amenities that could be had here with eschewing the 3rd row would be ridiculous.
    While they may not be hauling a family of 8, I see full size utes towing boats (and I'm not talking fishing boats) and Travel Trailers all the time. Payson is the gateway to Northern Arizona, and the processions of TT's, boats, 5th wheels, toy haulers, popups, and truck beds full of tent camping supplies would boggle your mind.

    Maybe in some locals they are glorified Mommy mobiles, but here in AZ they get a workout.
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    Re: Cadillac Could Be Working On A Supercharged Escalade With 650 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by SVT74 View Post
    I think that’s fine but, if electrification is the only way that they counter this, a good number of folks will stay away. I’m interested in a blown 5.2L V8 powered Navigator. I’m not really a player for a 3.5L EB Navigator hybrid and I’m guessing in not the only one.

    If Ford offered a 5.2L SC Navigator ‘LST’ I’m betting they could and would sell every one they would be willing to build.
    It really boggles my mind that the 5.0 isn't an option for the Navigator.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    What kind of vehicle should this be? Should it be a V or should it be a Platinum Ultra (or something like that)? I'm thinking no matter what they do to the suspension it is still a high center of gravity and heavy vehicle, not a sports car.
    Not sure about nomenclature, but as an avid SUV owner that has driven one way past how it should be driven, I can say with some degree of certainty that most of an SUV's instability comes from that rear most hatch area. Coupe-ifying it would remove most of that. Lowered stance, performance tuned MRC, and pushing the wheels out to the bumpers more (which we know they are to accomodate more interior space) means it could be a stellar big-bad-betty down the road.

    Quote Originally Posted by Extreme4x4 View Post
    While they may not be hauling a family of 8, I see full size utes towing boats (and I'm not talking fishing boats) and Travel Trailers all the time. Payson is the gateway to Northern Arizona, and the processions of TT's, boats, 5th wheels, toy haulers, popups, and truck beds full of tent camping supplies would boggle your mind.

    Maybe in some locals they are glorified Mommy mobiles, but here in AZ they get a workout.
    Being a coupe-ute wouldn't change it's towability. Any loss in cargo carrying, can be made up by stowing it in the trailer you are towing. Like the man said, most people don't load their interiors to the hilt.
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    Re: Cadillac Could Be Working On A Supercharged Escalade With 650 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    What kind of vehicle should this be? Should it be a V or should it be a Platinum Ultra (or something like that)? I'm thinking no matter what they do to the suspension it is still a high center of gravity and heavy vehicle, not a sports car.
    Handling could easily be made significantly better for the segment without butchering the ride. The last generation Ford Lightning was a great example of how truly large vehicles can handle well enough to be fun to drive without needing to pretend to be the worlds largest Corvette. And that truck didn’t even have IRS.

    Sports cars aren’t the only high performance vehicles in the world, and arguably they aren’t the most interesting. Done right I think this could easily warrant a V badge. And it might be the only vehicle I would cheer along as it made a run around the Ring both because of the absurdity of Ring time worship and the absurdity of a full size, high performance, body on frame suv taking a lap on that track.

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