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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Debut With 320 HP, 355 HP

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    More real world pics. I’m loving it more and more. I’m back to not knowing which one looks better lol
    A few styling quirks, for sure, but that's a damn good looking car. I'm sure in person it has a great presence.

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Debut With 320 HP, 355 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by Cobaltss_King View Post
    You are really clueless if you think the buyer cares about segment positions. They walk into a MB store and will decide if they like the looks of the A-class sedan or CLA better. Both are priced really close to each other. Won’t care less what they compete against. Same thing will happen with the CT4 and CT5. Caddy is doing themselves and the buyer a solid by offering a lower price out the gate. Oh also by even offering sedans to begin with.
    Didn't say they cared...Badge buyers have their minds made up way ahead of time and are rarely swayed. but you also need to understand that pricing alone doesnt dictate its segment. Like bballer said, they're going the value route again, nothing wrong with that, but don't try to position yourself via a magic wand and have people get bent out of shape when called on it.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Debut With 320 HP, 355 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    Didn't say they cared...Badge buyers have their minds made up way ahead of time and are rarely swayed. but you also need to understand that pricing alone doesnt dictate its segment. Like bballer said, they're going the value route again, nothing wrong with that, but don't try to position yourself via a magic wand and have people get bent out of shape when called on it.
    Until we see the pricing it's all guesswork. But to say people aren't going to shop price is insane.

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Debut With 320 HP, 355 HP

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    Hmmm.. first two look like they were taken at Lifetime Fitness in Novi. I'll have to keep an eye out for one of these if I go to that one in the future.
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    LOL at all the FORD fans in this thread thinking they got a one up. This is the Yukon Denali and trust me it's going to blow away the Navigator. Escalade is gunning for RR/Bentley level of interiors and beyond. I've talked to someone about this on another site that confirmed it Navigator isn't even being bench-marked at Cadillac too low for them.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Debut With 320 HP, 355 HP

    The updated power numbers on the CT4-V are now 325hp/380lb-ft, still "GM Estimate", up a bit from initial announcement. I wonder if the 3.0T in the CT5-V will also go up a tad before release?

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    Folks, next year the real Performance track ready V's will return. The CT5 will get the 6.2 liter Supercharged LT1 engine, the same one in the CTS V and the CT4 will get the 3.6 lter twin turbo, the same as in the ATS V. Both cars should have the same powwr output as their predecessors. Does anyone know if the CT4 and 5 will have increased backseat space ? Do we know the dimensions ?

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Debut With 320 HP, 355 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by SAngelo View Post
    Does anyone know if the CT4 and 5 will have increased backseat space ? Do we know the dimensions ?
    Here are dimensions for CT4 and CT5:

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Debut With 320 HP, 355 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    Here are dimensions for CT4 and CT5:

    CT4 is nearly the exact same thing.

    CT5 is kind of odd. They lost 3" of front leg room but gained 2.5" of rear. 1" lower headroom as well. A little more shoulder room in the rear.

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Debut With 320 HP, 355 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by SAngelo View Post
    Folks, next year the real Performance track ready V's will return. The CT5 will get the 6.2 liter Supercharged LT1 engine, the same one in the CTS V and the CT4 will get the 3.6 lter twin turbo, the same as in the ATS V. Both cars should have the same powwr output as their predecessors. Does anyone know if the CT4 and 5 will have increased backseat space ? Do we know the dimensions ?


    I'm not 100% sure of the engines...saw the spy video and didnt hear the slightest bit of blower noise. I'm thinking itll get a 500hp version of the C8s base motor for the 5V and a different tune of the 3.0T for the 4V

    My reasoning for this is that GM probably doesn't want to continue building last gen CTSV/ATSV powerplants solely for these two low volume niche vehicles. Look for them to leverage what they're already using in bulk like the LT2 and the 3.0TT...that and 350hp to 650 is a huge jump in hp from little 5v to big V.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Debut With 320 HP, 355 HP

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    I love it, I am liking its looks

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Debut With 320 HP, 355 HP

    I would not have separated the daytime LED DRL from the rest of the front lighting, but that's just me

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Debut With 320 HP, 355 HP

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    I would not have separated the daytime LED DRL from the rest of the front lighting, but that's just me
    I get what you mean but at least it continues up to the horizontal lighting element. Not like the XT6 where the DRL is just the bottom vertical portion. Still mimics the outgoing CTS DRL that is separated but one vertical "look" when lit.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Debut With 320 HP, 355 HP

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    Still mimics the outgoing CTS DRL that is separated but one vertical "look" when lit.
    And that's the big thing. There is no mistaking a Cadillac when it's coming at you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    Here are dimensions for CT4 and CT5:


    CT4 is nearly the exact same thing.

    CT5 is kind of odd. They lost 3" of front leg room but gained 2.5" of rear. 1" lower headroom as well. A little more shoulder room in the rear.
    How do they measure the leg room? Is this the max leg room for front or average?

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4-V and CT5-V Debut With 320 HP, 355 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by ral1960 View Post
    We need to compare power curves to see how much usable torque & hp has dropped. I suspect the new version is just as quick in everyday driving, it just peaks earlier. As you say, how often does anyone drive over 85 mph (or 5000 rpm)? We will soon see zero to X times in similar cars (oddly, the announced weight for the CT5 doesn't specify the drivetrain).
    Regularly?

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    Automotive Journalist and buyers will get what Caddy is putting down. Because a select few on here refuse to oh well. Keep banging your head against the wall. The rest of us accept and move on. It is GM’s product after all and not yours thank God. Can’t even post without getting trolled smh
    Yes, because the general public is great at reading between the lines, and they have the commitment of time and effort to bother to try to make sense of GM's cockamamie product strategy.

    The answer should have been sure, price them a class lower, but keep them competitively powered with their most realistic rivals—not take a dump on almost two decades worth of brand building because some dingbat boomer thinks BLACKWING is a KOOL name.

    I've said it before. Cadillac is dead, it's just that nobody has told GM yet. If they seriously believe an EV push is going to revolutionize people's image of Cadillac, they're ****ing crazy or have a malicious intent.

    All momentum the brand had stalled out and took a nose dive, never to recover again. It doesn't matter how many beautiful concepts they put out in the future, or how much they crow about the future or their commitment to Cadillac, because they've lost all credibility. In the time and effort it will take to rebuild their credibility and momentum for Cadillac, they would better spend their money elsewhere, and by the time they reach where they were, the market will have moved on too far for Cadillac to catch up. The current plan was a moonshot that could have been pulled off by the skin of their teeth, but WAIT and WATCH the trainwreck.

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