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    2020 Cadillac CT4 450T Suffers from a Lack of Refinement

    Despite improvements over the previous ATS on which it's based, the new CT4 highlights Cadillac's ongoing struggle to achieve small-car excellence.

    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ocialflowFBCAD

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4 450T Suffers from a Lack of Refinement

    Oh Bwoy, this online rag is really anti GM. What is refinement?

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4 450T Suffers from a Lack of Refinement

    I was about to defend C/D because they usually like GM's sedans...but damn do we really need to start off another article about a compact Caddy recalling the Cimarron? That was edgy in 2012 when the ATS came out, now its just tired.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4 450T Suffers from a Lack of Refinement

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Oh Bwoy, this online rag is really anti GM. What is refinement?
    "Unfortunately, this large four-cylinder idles with the clatter of a diesel and is alarmingly boomy through the top half of the tachometer. And it sounds like John Deere—not John Force—tuned the exhaust system. Despite a noise-cancellation system and Cadillac "enhancing" the engine's sounds through the audio speakers, it's more noise than note. Sound enhancement is paired with the vehicle settings. Tour is the default, Sport is nearly unbearable, and then there's Stealth. You want Stealth. Or earplugs."

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4 450T Suffers from a Lack of Refinement

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    "Unfortunately, this large four-cylinder idles with the clatter of a diesel and is alarmingly boomy through the top half of the tachometer. And it sounds like John Deere—not John Force—tuned the exhaust system. Despite a noise-cancellation system and Cadillac "enhancing" the engine's sounds through the audio speakers, it's more noise than note. Sound enhancement is paired with the vehicle settings. Tour is the default, Sport is nearly unbearable, and then there's Stealth. You want Stealth. Or earplugs."
    Ya - not good

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    damn do we really need to start off another article about a compact Caddy recalling the Cimarron?
    I hate this. So irrelevant.
    Last edited by kool1; 07-10-2020 at 07:44 AM.

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4 450T Suffers from a Lack of Refinement

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    "Unfortunately, this large four-cylinder idles with the clatter of a diesel and is alarmingly boomy through the top half of the tachometer. And it sounds like John Deere—not John Force—tuned the exhaust system. Despite a noise-cancellation system and Cadillac "enhancing" the engine's sounds through the audio speakers, it's more noise than note. Sound enhancement is paired with the vehicle settings. Tour is the default, Sport is nearly unbearable, and then there's Stealth. You want Stealth. Or earplugs."
    Anyone out there drive a 2.7T CT4? BlackGTP? Did the idle sound like “diesel clatter”? Was Sport “unbearable”?
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4 450T Suffers from a Lack of Refinement

    Seems like every car that doesn't wear a V or VSport badge gets trashed by reviewers...maybe Cadillac should resort to only selling V cars or only providing V cars for reviewing. I mean, you don't see dodge lending out 3.6 chargers and challengers for review, those cars suck, Cadillac needs to change the narrative, only put out what they want people to see/hear about...let the lower models ride on the coattails of the higher performance models instead of having to have the higher performance models redeem the whole line because the lower cars got trashed.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4 450T Suffers from a Lack of Refinement

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    Seems like every car that doesn't wear a V or VSport badge gets trashed by reviewers...maybe Cadillac should resort to only selling V cars or only providing V cars for reviewing.
    That, or make the MRC 4.0 suspension an option on non-V models. For MY 2021, Cadillac is actually doing this for CT5 Sport. While that model still suffers from the unrefined, underpowered 2.0L LSY engine, the availability of MRC 4.0 + FE3 suspension should address the complaints about the base suspension tune being too soft.

    2021 CT5 Sport with MRC may be the best handling variant due to lower mass over the front wheels compared to CT5-V.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4 450T Suffers from a Lack of Refinement

    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    That, or make the MRC 4.0 suspension an option on non-V models. For MY 2021, Cadillac is actually doing this for CT5 Sport. While that model still suffers from the unrefined, underpowered 2.0L LSY engine, the availability of MRC 4.0 + FE3 suspension should address the complaints about the base suspension tune being too soft.

    2021 CT5 Sport with MRC may be the best handling variant due to lower mass over the front wheels compared to CT5-V.
    That'll be a start, but that "new" 2.0 is garbage IMO...millions of dev $s to rework it for what? 50 less hp, 25 less tq, and slightly better MPGs w/ a negligible difference in NVH. C'mon, its almost like they want the two to fail.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4 450T Suffers from a Lack of Refinement

    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    That, or make the MRC 4.0 suspension an option on non-V models. For MY 2021, Cadillac is actually doing this for CT5 Sport. While that model still suffers from the unrefined, underpowered 2.0L LSY engine, the availability of MRC 4.0 + FE3 suspension should address the complaints about the base suspension tune being too soft.

    2021 CT5 Sport with MRC may be the best handling variant due to lower mass over the front wheels compared to CT5-V.
    If I was Cadillac marketing, non of these rags would ever get my vehicles to review, they would have to go buy one

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4 450T Suffers from a Lack of Refinement

    ^^^Yeah that'll show em...Take your ball and go home with your 2 obscure sedans as opposed to taking the constructive criticism and working on your weaknesses. Yeah, you'll never get better at anything with that mindset.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4 450T Suffers from a Lack of Refinement

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    Seems like every car that doesn't wear a V or VSport badge gets trashed by reviewers...maybe Cadillac should resort to only selling V cars or only providing V cars for reviewing. I mean, you don't see dodge lending out 3.6 chargers and challengers for review, those cars suck, Cadillac needs to change the narrative, only put out what they want people to see/hear about...let the lower models ride on the coattails of the higher performance models instead of having to have the higher performance models redeem the whole line because the lower cars got trashed.

    But the 550T got strong reviews. There’s an autoblog review of the 450T it has its compliments and complaints reversed from the Car and Driver review.

    Car and Driver liked the interior, autoblog hated it (weird because autoblog also praised the same interior in the review of the CT4-V). Car and driver hated the driving dynamics, Autoblog loved the driving dynamics.

    https://www.autoblog.com/2020/07/09/...4-first-drive/


    Then, Barrons loved it all:

    https://www.barrons.com/articles/the...ry-01593619779

    All the talk about torque won’t amount to much if the car doesn’t offer a positive driving experience, but in a brief one-day trial, it definitely did. With the 2.7T on board, it yielded world-class acceleration, and yet was very quiet on the highway (where Super Cruise will definitely be appreciated). The CT4, on Continental summer tires, handled extremely well, with some minor sacrifice to a harder-than-normal ride. Opt for the CT4-V and the package includes such performance amenities as the fourth generation of magnetic ride control, a limited-slip rear, performance-traction management and unique chassis tuning.

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4 450T Suffers from a Lack of Refinement

    I am also curious about the criticism of the refinement of the 2.7T in this application. In the V, which is a higher tuned variant, I saw no such complaints.
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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4 450T Suffers from a Lack of Refinement

    A minor complaint but I'm curious about the mixed use of the hood struts and prop rods. I hope the latter were used on pre-production cars.

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    Re: 2020 Cadillac CT4 450T Suffers from a Lack of Refinement

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert1969 View Post
    I am also curious about the criticism of the refinement of the 2.7T in this application. In the V, which is a higher tuned variant, I saw no such complaints.
    I think the CT4-V engine sound enhancement options are programmed differently compared to CT4 Premium Luxury 450T. Though even in the CT4-V the 2.7L engine elicited mild criticism about refinement, such as this comment from Motor Trend:

    Quote Originally Posted by Motor Trend
    "...this 2.7-liter nevertheless ends up sounding a bit coarser than the 2.0-liters powering its competitors."
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