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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Quote Originally Posted by richmond2000 View Post
    IMHO there are 2 things that NEED to be updated with the GM twins
    "A" a NEW body that comes in various heights / lengths and
    "B" the BAD FUEL economy

    for "A" something like the high top NV1500 / factory "bubble top" would do the trick
    and for "B" that 2.7 turbo 4 and the NEW 3.0L TD from the Silverado and the 10 speed
    those 2 IMHO would put GM vans "back on the map"

    a BONUS #3 would be LOWER load floors but keeping the frame and not going unibody makes that hard
    I average 17 1/2 mpg combined. That is not poor FE, as a matter of fact its about the same as the 3/4 ton transit.

    I agree about offering a higher roof though that would be fantastic.
    "The car's brilliant and ... a great surprise, pleasant surprise for all Corvette lovers everywhere ... a huge shock to our competitors ... because I don't think anybody was expecting something that good. What pleases me the most about it was that ... I can say this is the first car that's come out, that was done since I left.

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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    And don't forget a 1/2 ton version...........................




    Why do you think so many businesses buy the wrong vans?
    Maybe because we had a bad feeling about the "all new" Ford transit which was confirmed when the first gen starting having aluminum drive-shaft problems.

    When you know your going to be out of warranty before 1 year is up and its your cash going to the dealer for something your going to beat the snot out of you dont want something you don't trust.
    "The car's brilliant and ... a great surprise, pleasant surprise for all Corvette lovers everywhere ... a huge shock to our competitors ... because I don't think anybody was expecting something that good. What pleases me the most about it was that ... I can say this is the first car that's come out, that was done since I left.

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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Have you ever owned your own business? And made payroll?
    And where is your business today????
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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    This was my point, business, the GM vans make sense, for Family, Transit or Sprinter makes sense
    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    Why do you think so many businesses buy the wrong vans?
    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Have you ever owned your own business? And made payroll?
    No, all of my self-employed endeavors were sole-proprietor with no employees, I used a pick-up; Ford...............

    I co-manage our ~$45 million business unit with a $2.5 million SGA budget (my portion), does that work for you?

    But what does me owning or not owning a business, have to do with Ford selling so many Transit Vans?

    Are you implying all they Transit Van owners are going to fail? Per-you, they all bought the wrong van....


    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    And where is your business today????
    His work boots hurt his feet so bad, he can hardly work, but hey it's about the brand, and not the product, right?

    The Express/Savanna isn't a bad product, it's just obsolete and inferior in many ways, "productivity" is key in business, if the Transit owner's van was always broke down, that impedes productivity, but so does a van than less efficient when in-use........... "Crawl Around" in the back of an Express Van, or a walk-able mobile parts store and workbench in a Transit is very advantageous in many situations.
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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    So take this for what it's worth but I moved into a brand new house on December 31st and the neighborhood is still under construction with new houses being built, I walk it daily since I am still WFH for the foreseeable future, and all the vans on all the construction sites are all Ford Econolines. Not far from my neighborhood is an outdoor outlet mall and behind there is a warehouse where Amazon stores stuff at the same time every morning you can see an almost endless line of amazon vans going out all at once all of them are Transits and Sprinters.
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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    No, all of my self-employed endeavors were sole-proprietor with no employees, I used a pick-up; Ford...............

    I co-manage our ~$45 million business unit with a $2.5 million SGA budget (my portion), does that work for you?

    But what does me owning or not owning a business, have to do with Ford selling so many Transit Vans?

    Are you implying all they Transit Van owners are going to fail? Per-you, they all bought the wrong van....




    His work boots hurt his feet so bad, he can hardly work, but hey it's about the brand, and not the product, right?

    The Express/Savanna isn't a bad product, it's just obsolete and inferior in many ways, "productivity" is key in business, if the Transit owner's van was always broke down, that impedes productivity, but so does a van than less efficient when in-use........... "Crawl Around" in the back of an Express Van, or a walk-able mobile parts store and workbench in a Transit is very advantageous in many situations.
    Its all about the brand...I have a theory that GM could literally put out a piece of poo with a GM badge (Chevy, GMC, Cadillac, not Buick because I have one) and some posters will proclaim it to be the "Greatest, most beautiful poop ever, look at that OLED screen"...you'll find out first hand in 7 days when the Cadillac Aztek debuts.
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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Quote Originally Posted by ksr View Post
    As long as it can meet safety requirements, they might as well keep building it. Certainly not glamorous, but people hauling stuff around for their catering or construction or whatever business aren't concerned about that.

    I remember reading that crash requirements were the reason they finally stopped building the A-body Olds Cutlass Ciera. It was still popular and said to be kind of embarrassing to Oldsmobile as it was still move popular than newer, better models. But it was a cash cow. When they finally replaced it with a thinly disguised Chevy Malibu (1997 generation), it was another and perhaps the key death blow to Oldsmobile. They lost a lot of volume there.
    Right after GM Corporate cucks made the claim they weren't going to badge something just to sell in the segment. Criminal. Like no one would have a clue

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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Citation84 View Post
    Right after GM Corporate cucks made the claim they weren't going to badge something just to sell in the segment. Criminal. Like no one would have a clue
    And yet they have No Issues in Leaving Many Segments, deemed "Unprofitable" without looking at "Why they are Unprofitable? i.e. Internal Structure." A Bodies a Perfect Example, Long in the Tooth at Final Production, but What did they Cost GM to build?

    Twin Cities Ranger, could be had for 2/3rds the price of a Focus in 2011, (with minor safety changes) and were selling as many as We could get.
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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    I'll offer an explanation here that my very own brother in law told me, he owns an electrition contracting company, has so since 1995. He has been through many cargo vans.

    The 3/4 ton GM's with the 6.0 is the most dependable by far. He gets over 250,000km plus out of them easy and still going strong when he updates. Said the interior plastics fall apart and he keeps a stock himself of door handles and door handle hardware. But the drivetrains are rock solid and the lack of repairs, cheap maintenance, and low initial cost keep him coming back. He could care less about what they look like, it's all about uptime and cost of operation. He currently has eleven 3/4 ton and four 1/2 ton GM vans.

    He has a few Transits. Had a few electrical issues but otherwise said they're fine. His mechanic basically told him to expect half the engine life or less of what he was getting in the GM's and twice the cost to fix. Said that he gets a better deal on the GM vans. Said he won't likely buy anymore. Some of the drivers don't like the way they handle on the highway.

    Tried some Promasters, he couldn't remember but thinks he bought six or so. Nightmares, engine and transmission problems, door hinges, and other issues. He said they were the worst vans he's ever had.

    Also has two Sprinter diesels. Totally fine with them but the cost to buy and maintain are too high. Bought these for his top guys as a reward for service.

    So, GM keeps the vans because some fleet buyers don't care how long ago they were redesigned. He knows these battleaxes in and out and what to expect from them. He'd rather deal with cheap plastics than mechanical issues. When he started he ran a 50/50 mix of Econolines and was generally happy with the Fords too. Told me if GM went to a front-drive of small V6 van he might consider them, but would prefer the same powerteam with a updated body.

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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Chaos View Post
    I'll offer an explanation here that my very own brother in law told me, he owns an electrition contracting company, has so since 1995. He has been through many cargo vans.

    The 3/4 ton GM's with the 6.0 is the most dependable by far. He gets over 250,000km plus out of them easy and still going strong when he updates. Said the interior plastics fall apart and he keeps a stock himself of door handles and door handle hardware. But the drivetrains are rock solid and the lack of repairs, cheap maintenance, and low initial cost keep him coming back. He could care less about what they look like, it's all about uptime and cost of operation. He currently has eleven 3/4 ton and four 1/2 ton GM vans.

    He has a few Transits. Had a few electrical issues but otherwise said they're fine. His mechanic basically told him to expect half the engine life or less of what he was getting in the GM's and twice the cost to fix. Said that he gets a better deal on the GM vans. Said he won't likely buy anymore. Some of the drivers don't like the way they handle on the highway.

    Tried some Promasters, he couldn't remember but thinks he bought six or so. Nightmares, engine and transmission problems, door hinges, and other issues. He said they were the worst vans he's ever had.

    Also has two Sprinter diesels. Totally fine with them but the cost to buy and maintain are too high. Bought these for his top guys as a reward for service.

    So, GM keeps the vans because some fleet buyers don't care how long ago they were redesigned. He knows these battleaxes in and out and what to expect from them. He'd rather deal with cheap plastics than mechanical issues. When he started he ran a 50/50 mix of Econolines and was generally happy with the Fords too. Told me if GM went to a front-drive of small V6 van he might consider them, but would prefer the same powerteam with a updated body.
    nice to see real world experience
    I have seen GM 6.0s run for 400K + and only need an oil pump rebuild for another 400
    the ones we have up north make it about 100000K and the bodies are done but the powertrain is as good as new / fleet is Mostly E series because of better parts supply availability in the far north - the vans are used as Ambulances / Taxi service and it is a 4+ HOUR drive nearly off road to civilization from the reservation

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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Front end needs to be updated just to go with current desing scheme.
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