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    QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

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    Future Product: Chevrolet Express

    Will they ever be redesigned? Expectations are not anytime soon. GM seems content to let the more than 15-year-old vans — whose development costs were fully amortized long ago — quietly age rather than invest in a new generation to compete against Ford's segment-dominating Transit series.











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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    I owned and loved, a 2011 Saab 9-5.

    Repeat: 2011.

    It had the same radio as the 2020 Express shown below.

    I guess if it ain't broke...





    Question: Should GM redesign the Chevrolet Express full size van, or continue to rake in the bucks on a vehicle paid for many years ago, and one that may be extremely profitable for them...If in the market, would you purchase an Express or (Ford) Transit?




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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    I didn't know that they still made that sort of radio.

    If it still sells, maybe just leave it alone. Although you'd think a modern dash would be a good idea. But it's a utilitarian box that does its task. Maybe there isn't a good reason to change it.
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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Given parts availability and that pretty much every mechanic is familiar with it, I’d imagine that cost of ownership/downtime is the best in the industry...why mess with a money-making machine. And last year I noticed that some safety equipment like SBZA and LDW was made available so there is a little bit of improvements here and there

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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Why should they, there really isn't a point to re-designing a utility vehicle like this...there are only so many vehicles like this on the market and I doubt anyone says "I need 50 vans for my plumbing fleet, but I just wish they made something that looked better". It gets the job done well...what else is out there? The Nissan NV?
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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    As long as it can meet safety requirements, they might as well keep building it. Certainly not glamorous, but people hauling stuff around for their catering or construction or whatever business aren't concerned about that.

    I remember reading that crash requirements were the reason they finally stopped building the A-body Olds Cutlass Ciera. It was still popular and said to be kind of embarrassing to Oldsmobile as it was still move popular than newer, better models. But it was a cash cow. When they finally replaced it with a thinly disguised Chevy Malibu (1997 generation), it was another and perhaps the key death blow to Oldsmobile. They lost a lot of volume there.
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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    G vans ran 25 years 1971-1996. so 1996-2020 is 24 years for the Express/Savana. For a Market Owned by the Econoline, why Spend on what works (somewhat). Well the Transit's success shows you "Why Spend"
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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Quote Originally Posted by InCogKneeToe View Post
    G vans ran 25 years 1971-1996. so 1996-2020 is 24 years for the Express/Savana. For a Market Owned by the Econoline, why Spend on what works (somewhat). Well the Transit's success shows you "Why Spend"
    Transit is easily dominating this market. GM just doesn't care and is going to screw up what equity they have in the Express/Savana. Sounds familiar doesnt it??
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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Quote Originally Posted by InCogKneeToe View Post
    G vans ran 25 years 1971-1996. so 1996-2020 is 24 years for the Express/Savana. For a Market Owned by the Econoline, why Spend on what works (somewhat). Well the Transit's success shows you "Why Spend"
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    Transit is easily dominating this market. GM just doesn't care and is going to screw up what equity they have in the Express/Savana. Sounds familiar doesnt it??
    Thanks, completely forgot about the Transit
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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Can the lateral G's be improved? Asking for my plumber.

    Ford certainly stole sales with their new vans, but what GM lost may not be worth the cost of a redesign. Meaning the costs to develop new vans might be more than lost profits due to decreased sales volume. Without seeing the numbers, I say don't touch it unless the sales really crater.

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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    I need an interior worthy of a box deliverer (leather seats,soft touch dash,ambient lighting,android and apple car play..etc) and the GM vans just don't have it....How am I supposed to luxuriate whilst making my deliveries?.

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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Buttons View Post
    I need an interior worthy of a box deliverer (leather seats,soft touch dash,ambient lighting,android and apple car play..etc) and the GM vans just don't have it....How am I supposed to luxuriate whilst making my deliveries?.
    The only thing IMO that needs some sort of updating is the Infotainment to accept carplay or AA...and that is solely for the purpose of navigating from job to job.
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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Can the lateral G's be improved? Asking for my plumber.

    Ford certainly stole sales with their new vans, but what GM lost may not be worth the cost of a redesign. Meaning the costs to develop new vans might be more than lost profits due to decreased sales volume. Without seeing the numbers, I say don't touch it unless the sales really crater.
    I have a buddy who works for Crane lift trucks. They're switching over their whole fleet of vans to the Transit. The ability to have multiple heights, lengths and sizes of vans but still all be under the same dealer network is huge for them. He absolutely loves working in his high roof van. He previously had an Express and hated it. He is taller, only 6' 1", but would have to crawl around in the Express for parts and even had his own pull out table to work on.

    These numbers are for 2019 because 2020 has become a poopshow:

    Express 77,457 4.66%
    Savana 24,226 23.07%

    Transit 153,868 11.67%
    Transit Connect 41,598 30.31%

    Yea, Ford might be losing money on them but I hardly doubt it. GM has such goodwill in this segment and they're just going to let it rot. Hard to watch.
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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    I think GM's future plans for the van involve electrification, although I'm not sure how well that works for a vehicle that needs tremendous up-time. Otherwise GM has long since surrendered this customer to Ford. Ford even updated the E-Series cutaway for 2021 with a new interior and the 7.3L V8 with the 10-speed. Not to mention Transits which also have enormous global volume. The GM vans have got to be at the very bottom of the van spectrum, commanding the lowest pricing for the least amount of features and utility.
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    Re: QOTD: "Will they ever be redesigned?"

    I wouldn't be surprised if at some point a redo comes along but to an electric chassis.

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