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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Let me educate you.

    GM is designing each of the platform replacements to be RHD so selling cars anywhere will it be as difficult.

    The Alpha2, Vette and even trucks will be designed to be RHD. The Blazer, Acadia and Cadillacs are RHD capable.

    The Nox is already RHD.

    Opel is not a factor.

    Trucks and CUV/SUV models will only matter there just as here.

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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    Let me educate you.

    GM is designing each of the platform replacements to be RHD so selling cars anywhere will it be as difficult.

    The Alpha2, Vette and even trucks will be designed to be RHD. The Blazer, Acadia and Cadillacs are RHD capable.

    The Nox is already RHD.

    Opel is not a factor.

    Trucks and CUV/SUV models will only matter there just as here.
    Santa Maria! You mean GM has finally seen the light?

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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    Let me educate you.

    GM is designing each of the platform replacements to be RHD so selling cars anywhere will it be as difficult.

    The Alpha2, Vette and even trucks will be designed to be RHD. The Blazer, Acadia and Cadillacs are RHD capable.

    The Nox is already RHD.

    Opel is not a factor.

    Trucks and CUV/SUV models will only matter there just as here.
    So let me get this straight

    You want me to trust a company that has told us they will sell Caddilac in Australia 3-4 times now in RHD but has pulled out before they even start?

    OK sure i'll put in that order now

    Equinox is only RHD because Holden were going to produce it at Elizabeth

    If that program wasnt put into place I can stone cold guarantee you there would have been no RHD Equinox - same goes for Acadia

    Opel is not a factor?

    REALLY?

    They are supplying 50% plus of all RHD products for GM right now for sale in Aus

    If thats not a factor I dont know what is


    Again there is no way I have any confidence that there is a replacement car for my family from GM and if I , a Holden tragic , will consider buying elsewhere then what of the average buyer?

    GM needs to wake up and join the rest of the worlds manufacturers

    Right now they are very close to being a North Amercian brand only with a China owned subsidiary
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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    And do we know the full plan for Springhill and model plans? No.
    So the bad is acceptable, because something good "might" happen, we just don't know it yet?
    - With logic like that all bad news is OK, because something good could be coming!

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    As for Mexico they are not going to expand a whole lot more but they are not going away as the supply much out of country needs.
    That is reassuring; Lordstown and Oshawa are relieved to hear this.


    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    As for the Cruze I bet you did not see it coming as most people. Even while we saw sales decline most of us expected GM to hang on longer as they used to do building cars at a loss and dumping them on Enterprise.
    $69 leases over 2 years ago.............. Nope complete surprise, nobody saw it coming!


    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    The outrage over Mexico would be fine if they had not been there for several decades. Also if GM did not export many of these models or sell them in Mexico. But it is a bit misplaced today and global
    No, there would have been no outrage over Mexico had GM not closed a bunch of domestic plants.............

    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    Production is what companies have to do for various reasons. They make Benz in Alabama for a reason.
    Is it bad that M-B makes vehicle in Alabama?



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    Yep that was real easy when you were expecting the Cruze to still be pushing 3 shifts at Lordstown when the decision was made.

    Also exporting them out would be more costly from Ohio.
    So who at GM thought they'd need 4 shifts of Cruze to keep up with demand?

    Remember when GM was shipping/selling Mexico built sedans in the US until they got caught?
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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Talking about Mexico building cars and then this dude throws out MB and Alabama like it's the same thing.

    GM is on track to have 35% of its US sales coming from Mexico after closing five plants in the US and Canada. Yea, absolutely no issue there. Wash your hands of it because of ATP and Wall Street profits.

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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    Talking about Mexico building cars and then this dude throws out MB and Alabama like it's the same thing.

    GM is on track to have 35% of its US sales coming from Mexico after closing five plants in the US and Canada. Yea, absolutely no issue there. Wash your hands of it because of ATP and Wall Street profits.
    And you would expect a customer backlash

    Bound to happen
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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Well you are not going to like it but Australian sales are not the most important thing in the world. You are a very small market and that is why everyone has cut back production and is looking to import.

    Opel was a money losing venture the way it was set up and GM could not make the needed cuts to make it profitable.

    Today’s markets are either go really big and try to make money or work to increase profit per vehicle on a smaller focused scale. Money losses either way can and will prove fatal as the market will not be expanding as much in the future.

    When China start dumping cheap cars going big is risky.

    If stock prices do not improve at many companies mergers and take overs will be more common. Limited ventures have already started.

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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    They were at 3 shift with no lunch when they were awarded the present car. Sorry not enough hours in the day for 4 shifts.

    Benz in Bama sucks for Germans. But is more economical to build here.

    GM opens and closes plants often. Where was the praise when the reopened Springhill? You will see the same again.

    GM expected the Cruze to hang on but sales tanked even faster than expected. Also it does not fix the cost of the models being sent south.

    As for the Future what you don’t know is key. It is time to let the talks happen this summer and just see what comes before you act out. This is not the first crossroads for Lordstown.

    Being a union plant a lot is up to the local and how they cooperate. Lordstown has learned this and that is a plus for them.

    There are going to be a great many challenges moving forward. One of the greatest is the price of cars. Many people can not afford them and more will not be able to afford them. If they can not find ways to control cost everyone will lose their jobs to China who will try to dump cheap cars here.

    Everyone one here wants to be a millionaire working an assembly line but they still want to shop at Walmart. That formula does not work.

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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Where was the praise when SH was reopened?!?! It was all over the damn forum!! Literally no one had nothing but happy thoughts because GM did middle Tennessee awful when they shut down Saturn.

    Cruze sales tanked?? It was still third in the class. GM gave up on the car even after they promised they wouldn't. Where have we heard that before?

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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    And not just in the East side 😉
    Again. Right now GM does have a bunch of compacts to sell under the Cruze name, but I really hope that this was a contract tactic and the car is coming back or the Sonic gets a revisement in segment duties. Give Lordstown the Trailblazer.

    And can we address why the hell Americans gotta have CUVs as the main source of transportation? 9 outta 10x I look at one there's only one person in the damn thing and the cargo area is bare
    This is not a commercial vehicle to be full at all times. We like the higher stance, the available cargo space, the similar fuel consumption, the available AWD and easier access to the trunk. It is much easier with kids, pets, stuff to move. Sitting higher on the highway is more comfortable. USA/Canada highways can go for days at no end. Easier to get in and out, especially for older peeps. When I go to Costco, I buy food for the next 2 weeks at least and the meat for the next month. With 3 guys in the household, you go do groceries every weekend. Higher in the snow, not all the roads get cleaned up right away.

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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    They were at 3 shift with no lunch when they were awarded the present car. Sorry not enough hours in the day for 4 shifts.
    In 2013 the Cruze was 21.5% fleet, mostly rental, GM could have dialed it back a bit and managed just fine; for comparison, Honda Civic was 1.5%.


    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    Benz in Bama sucks for Germans. But is more economical to build here.
    "more economical to build here" unlike GM?..............


    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    GM opens and closes plants often. Where was the praise when the reopened Springhill? You will see the same again.
    Spring Hill was just upgraded, it was idled (not closed) becascue SAAR went from 16-17 million to 11 million.

    When do you think; Hamtramck, Lordstown, Oshawa or Baltimore is going to reopen?


    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    GM expected the Cruze to hang on but sales tanked even faster than expected. Also it does not fix the cost of the models being sent south.
    Gen II never caught-on, GM made improvements, but took too much cost out the car, it was just another compact.



    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    As for the Future what you don’t know is key. It is time to let the talks happen this summer and just see what comes before you act out. This is not the first crossroads for Lordstown.
    "Yup my boss fired me, but no-worries, I'll just wait around, I know he is going to rehire me! Oh they closed the plant and fired my boss too!? It's OK, I'll just wait the future is bright, I just don't know it yet!"


    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    There are going to be a great many challenges moving forward. One of the greatest is the price of cars. Many people can not afford them and more will not be able to afford them. If they can not find ways to control cost everyone will lose their jobs to China who will try to dump cheap cars here.

    Everyone one here wants to be a millionaire working an assembly line but they still want to shop at Walmart. That formula does not work.
    Sure it does, as long as you just buy potato chips, paper plates and $7.00 keyboards...............

    My mom like to shop at Kmart more (we had 3 in our area) but she was just a waitress and Dad worked at GM, their net-worth was 1 million, when they retired........ "easy-peasy"
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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Cruze may have sold in large quantities but profits were small. It had a hard time justifying further investment.
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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by jesda1 View Post
    Cruze may have sold in large quantities but profits were small. It had a hard time justifying further investment.
    Are we sure of that??

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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    Yeah.. But look. The idea is to save jobs.. to bring back the jobs. The town. The state needs to play ball too. The people need to be willing to support the plant.. Honestly in a situation like this. U really should've had a Cruze parked in every other driveway, even if it was just the teenagers car. Point of fact. If U see a person driving a Corolla, Civic, Elantra, Versa, or even a Focus. They should have been given serious shade and shame. Sounds crazy.. But have U ever been to Wolfsburg? Golfs running around like ants at an ice-cream picnic

    I can't tell where you're from based on your mini bio, but have you ever spent any time in the Valley? There are tons of Cruzes running around at home. Hell, there are still Cobalts and Cavaliers there, too!

    But the real kicker is this: trucks and SUVs are far more popular there than cars which mirrors what the rest of the country is doing.

    While I no longer have friends or family working at Lordstown, the factory remains a huge part of the economy. I can only hope we get a high value vehicle there, like a SUV, I have no idea what will actually happen.
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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    This was a reply to Scott3's post...

    The political representation for the Valley has been horrible as long as I can remember (I'm 56 years old). Most of them were completely lackluster, with the exception of "Beam me up, Scotty" Jim Traficant who was a nut job. He wasted all of his time fighting Federal charges and did N O T H I N G for the Valley, except making that part of Northeast Ohio a laughingstock for supporting the idiot. I can see that Timmy Ryan will spend his time and energy in a wasted effort to be President. How about helping out your constituency instead? WTF?!

    Not one of those lazy *******s lift a hand to do anything for the area, but expect votes as if they were entitled to them.

    It's not just Lordstown, it was the steel mills and the related industries, too. The best these wastes of time could do for Y-town was a for-profit prison and a couple of small scale steel operations.

    Hopefully, they don't find a way to ruin YSU, too.

    Sorry for the rant. There's a reason why a huge Youngstown/Northeast Ohio diaspora exists...
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