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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    What you leave out in Spring Hill is this.

    #1 they have just added Holden Production there. #2 they have just added XT6 production there. #3 the Blazer is sold in Mexico in higher numbers too. #4 we have yet to see full plans or capacity for Spring Hill yet.
    So Spring Hill is tapped-out?................... not even close, I think you left that out?...............

    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    This is the deal. GM has been in Mexico and they will always have a foot print there. GM also has many plans and expansion for in country here. They have already invest in several plants and just made public the first investment to be offered this year of 1 billion dollars.
    They always are "investing" in plants; how much capacity did they remove from Mexico when they announced the closure of all the US and Canada plants?


    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    As for Oshawa. Unifor is what brought them down. The union there has been a major problem for years and GM long ago sent them a signal they could easily leave there. On the other hand the CAW plants remain in good standing with better product and cooperation.
    So Ingersoll is next, how soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    As for the girlfriend thing wow. Not even close. This is business not a relationship.
    Please look up the definition of analogy..............


    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    As for the Blazer hopes are it will sell in numbers like the Nox or greater. Production would need to expand.

    The outrage over the Blazer is misleading. No one complained about all the other models built there. Little consideration is made on where most the materials come from in the states to just assemble it.

    The HHR was assembled in Mexico but the engine gas from Springhill. The tranny was good old USA. The Horn was from AZ and most other major parts were from here.
    "As for the Blazer hopes are it will sell in numbers like the Nox or greater. Production would need to expand"

    Comical, but if true it could fill a whole plant, like Lordstown for example.................

    And no the "outrage" is REAL and warranted; here now that you know what the word analogy means, try this.

    Your father sells your 4 bedroom 2 bathroom house that you, your brother, mother and father live in and buys a 2 bedroom 1 bathroom house, with the extra money he "invests" in something very speculative, say like, lottery tickets, "when" (if) he wins the payoff will be great (again if) in the meantime, you suffer greatly.

    GM is closing US plants/models, at the same time it is expanding production/models in Mexico, taking content/quality out & overpricing its products at the same time; pouring money down a bottomless rat-hole.
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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Note my quote on Springhill read it.

    The Mexico plants ebb and flow. You may also ask in a contracting market just how much over capacity GM has yet to close?

    Ingersoll, if they behave like Oshawa yes.

    Well come up with a better example. This sounded more like a personal problem.


    I don’t find Blazer sales funny. I find success as possible more in country jobs. Yes they could do well at Lordstown with the proper time to prepare the plant and the money to do so. Neither of which were budgeted for the unplanned Cruze shutdown.

    Production start ups take several years but closings months. Sorry if the reality of this messes up the narrative you try to portray.

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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    Note my quote on Springhill read it.

    The Mexico plants ebb and flow. You may also ask in a contracting market just how much over capacity GM has yet to close?

    Ingersoll, if they behave like Oshawa yes.

    Well come up with a better example. This sounded more like a personal problem.


    I don’t find Blazer sales funny. I find success as possible more in country jobs. Yes they could do well at Lordstown with the proper time to prepare the plant and the money to do so. Neither of which were budgeted for the unplanned Cruze shutdown.

    Production start ups take several years but closings months. Sorry if the reality of this messes up the narrative you try to portray.
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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by IROCNROL1 View Post
    In actuality Wall Street couldn't care less one way or the other about workers lives. Profit is their only focus.

    Barra is providing what Wall Street wants. Again, just like Wall Street, she doesn't consider workers at all. As a CEO she is beholding to stockholders. That's it.

    As to her qualifications as a CEO, she has brought profitability to GM. That's her job. Now if she introduces a full line of electric vehicles that don't sell well, if at all, then her status will plummet in short order. Will that save any American jobs? I suspect not. The only thing that I can see saving jobs here is if enough people say (and mean) that they will only buy American made, or at least assembled, vehicles. Do I think that's a realistic probability? I think everyone pretty much knows the answer to that one.
    What she is doing is bringing profits in the short term but long term she is hurting the company by ruining GMs reputation, both among nationalist Americans who see this as a betrayal after the bailout and among long term GM supporters who see them as abandoning entire sections of the market that will force them to take their business elsewhere.
    I find it interesting that as Barra exits the Compact space Toyota is extensively advertising the redesigned Corolla and Mazda redesigned the Mazda 3 and I'm reading comparison tests with the still very well selling Honda Civic.
    People are still buying Compact cars, just now they won't be buying anything from GM. Younger drivers won't even know they exist in a few years.
    In the face of $4 per gallon gas here in Cali, I consider that a losing decision by a CEO who doesn't think market share or reputation matters.

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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    What you leave out in Springhill is this.

    #1 they have just added Holden Production there. #2 they have just added XT6 production there. #3 the Blazer is sold in Mexico in higher numbers too. #4 we have yet to see full plans or capacity for Spring Hill yet.

    This is the deal. GM has been in Mexico and they will always have a foot print there. GM also has many plans and expansion for in country here. They have already invest in several plants and just made public the first investment to be offered this year of 1 billion dollars.

    As for Oshawa. Unifor is what brought them down. The union there has been a major problem for years and GM long ago sent them a signal they could easily leave there. On the other hand the CAW plants remain in good standing with better product and cooperation.

    As for the girlfriend thing wow. Not even close. This is business not a relationship.

    As for the Blazer hopes are it will sell in numbers like the Nox or greater. Production would need to expand.

    The outrage over the Blazer is misleading. No one complained about all the other models built there. Little consideration is made on where most the materials come from in the states to just assemble it.

    The HHR was assembled in Mexico but the engine gas from Springhill. The tranny was good old USA. The Horn was from AZ and most other major parts were from here.
    Holden production won't save them at a few hundred a month sales

    And this is surely a temporary thing anyway if GM doesnt care or want RHD production aywhere I honestly cant see teh arangment lasting

    THey're trying to sell cars to a whole NATION who lost their industry

    Just imagine how much ill will there is here FFS
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    I bet it was some dumbarse in Detroit Hidden Content

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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by steve333 View Post
    What she is doing is bringing profits in the short term but long term she is hurting the company by ruining GMs reputation, both among nationalist Americans who see this as a betrayal after the bailout and among long term GM supporters who see them as abandoning entire sections of the market that will force them to take their business elsewhere.
    I find it interesting that as Barra exits the Compact space Toyota is extensively advertising the redesigned Corolla and Mazda redesigned the Mazda 3 and I'm reading comparison tests with the still very well selling Honda Civic.
    People are still buying Compact cars, just now they won't be buying anything from GM. Younger drivers won't even know they exist in a few years.
    In the face of $4 per gallon gas here in Cali, I consider that a losing decision by a CEO who doesn't think market share or reputation matters.
    Yeah, good points. What happened to "entry level"? As in, you buy a nice compact, when you get older and richer you buy a bigger barge, if you like your GM you can keep your GM. When I was young I wanted two things, cheap, reliable.

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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    Note my quote on Springhill read it.

    The Mexico plants ebb and flow. You may also ask in a contracting market just how much over capacity GM has yet to close?

    Ingersoll, if they behave like Oshawa yes.

    Well come up with a better example. This sounded more like a personal problem.


    I don’t find Blazer sales funny. I find success as possible more in country jobs. Yes they could do well at Lordstown with the proper time to prepare the plant and the money to do so. Neither of which were budgeted for the unplanned Cruze shutdown.

    Production start ups take several years but closings months. Sorry if the reality of this messes up the narrative you try to portray.
    I read it, comprehended it even; Spring Hill has plenty of capacity, even with what they are adding.

    So more CUV's going to Mexico; great!

    Like I said analogy, go re-read the definition.

    So far they are...............

    Good thing GM tooled-up Mexico for the Cruze a couple years ago, otherwise this "unplanned" closure would have really left them unprepared!
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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    And do we know the full plan for Springhill and model plans? No.

    As foe Mexico they are not going to expand a who.e lot more but they are not going away as the supply much out of country needs.

    You miss the point I get it but it was not that good.

    As for the Cruze I bet you did not see it coming as most people. Even while we saw sales decline most of us expected GM to hang on longer as they used to do building cars at a loss and dumping them on Enterprise.

    Today they were able to be proactive and stem them loss. Sure it hurts the folks at one plant but in the long time the long run a stronger company protects the rest. It could even give Lordstown a second chance. Before the bail out GM would never cut losses.

    The outrage over Mexico would be fine if they had not been there for several decades. Also if GM did not export many of these models or sell them in Mexico. But it is a bit misplaced today and global
    Production is what companies have to do for various reasons. They make Benz in Alabama for a reason.


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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    The Holden sales will help. Also we have yet to discover what else may be added here. It is not temporary. They are not building it anywhere else and not in OZ

    Note RHD was not an issue here.

    One of the problems down under is their car sales tanked in general. GM was the last to build in country. They are feasting on trucks and CUV/SUV market there is growing much as ours.

    No matter what they do there they are buying imports. The best selling vehicle is a Toyota truck that is imported.

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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by Al465 View Post
    I owned one of the first Cruze in 2011 and love it so much that I traded it in for a new 2019. It is really my wife's car and we can not understand why GM would quit making it. The one we have is the R/S model and I think it's one hell of a nice car. I'd put it up against any Honda Civic or whatever. This car is tops!!!
    It still boggles my mind that GM has no small car to compete with Civic and Corolla. Cruze may not have been the best small car but it was well made and competitive.

    Pure stupidity on Mary's part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve333 View Post
    What she is doing is bringing profits in the short term but long term she is hurting the company by ruining GMs reputation, both among nationalist Americans who see this as a betrayal after the bailout and among long term GM supporters who see them as abandoning entire sections of the market that will force them to take their business elsewhere.
    I find it interesting that as Barra exits the Compact space Toyota is extensively advertising the redesigned Corolla and Mazda redesigned the Mazda 3 and I'm reading comparison tests with the still very well selling Honda Civic.
    People are still buying Compact cars, just now they won't be buying anything from GM. Younger drivers won't even know they exist in a few years.
    In the face of $4 per gallon gas here in Cali, I consider that a losing decision by a CEO who doesn't think market share or reputation matters.
    Yeah, good points. What happened to "entry level"? As in, you buy a nice compact, when you get older and richer you buy a bigger barge, if you like your GM you can keep your GM. When I was young I wanted two things, cheap, reliable.

    And yeah, gas is moovin on up like George Jefferson.
    And not just in the East side 😉
    Again. Right now GM does have a bunch of compacts to sell under the Cruze name, but I really hope that this was a contract tactic and the car is coming back or the Sonic gets a revisement in segment duties. Give Lordstown the Trailblazer.

    And can we address why the hell Americans gotta have CUVs as the main source of transportation? 9 outta 10x I look at one there's only one person in the damn thing and the cargo area is bare
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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    The Holden sales will help. Also we have yet to discover what else may be added here. It is not temporary. They are not building it anywhere else and not in OZ

    Note RHD was not an issue here.

    One of the problems down under is their car sales tanked in general. GM was the last to build in country. They are feasting on trucks and CUV/SUV market there is growing much as ours.

    No matter what they do there they are buying imports. The best selling vehicle is a Toyota truck that is imported.
    Nope you missed it, it is all GM's fault that they don't build anything there anymore....

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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Quote Originally Posted by scott3 View Post
    The Holden sales will help. Also we have yet to discover what else may be added here. It is not temporary. They are not building it anywhere else and not in OZ

    Note RHD was not an issue here.

    One of the problems down under is their car sales tanked in general. GM was the last to build in country. They are feasting on trucks and CUV/SUV market there is growing much as ours.

    No matter what they do there they are buying imports. The best selling vehicle is a Toyota truck that is imported.
    You honestly think GM will contin ue to build RHD for Holden at 300 per month?

    Let me edjucate you on a little inside info

    The only cars Holden are getting right now are Opels (which will dry up soon) and the 2 other cars Holden was to produce at it's elizabeth plant alongside ZB Commodore ( Equinox and Acadia)

    When Opel imports stop where is the new midsize/Large car coming from?

    Where is Astra coming from?

    We no longer get Astra sedan from Korea so that strikes them out

    Nothing else GM makes is in RHD


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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    GM could have easily saved Ohio by planning Blazer in USA and Cruze in Mexico, throw in a GMC and Buick version(s) of the Blazer in Ohio and you have a plant that keeps humming..

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    Re: NYT Special Report - Chevy Cruze Lordstown Plant: The End Of The Line

    Yep that was real easy when you were expecting the Cruze to still be pushing 3 shifts at Lordstosn when the decision was made.

    Also exporting them out would be more costly from Ohio.

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