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    Re: New Corvette: GM Moves Engine, Stirs Revolt

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    But those buyers are continually being replaced by other older buyers coming into the market so the average age may not show the actual progression from say, 55 to 75...



    So you're going to replace one niche product with another..OK.
    So how do the buyers who own/lease Euro Performance vehicles
    feel about being seen in a Corvette?

    It's all about image and what you're seen driving...do you get my drift?
    I think you still want your car to be drooled over and aspirational to a younger demographic

    But thats just my opinion
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    Re: New Corvette: GM Moves Engine, Stirs Revolt

    I agree with jdp80 - GM is alienating current buyers and hoping for new ones. But Chevy ain't Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren. Chevy is not going to get those customers. Who are the going to get? Maybe there are other 55-75 year olds that don't like the current Vette but will the new one? 30-50 year olds mostly need more than 2 seats. This is risky. I hope GM the best.
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    Re: New Corvette: GM Moves Engine, Stirs Revolt

    Quote Originally Posted by TruckMan View Post
    I agree with jdp80 - GM is alienating current buyers and hoping for new ones. But Chevy ain't Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren. Chevy is not going to get those customers. Who are the going to get? Maybe there are other 55-75 year olds that don't like the current Vette but will the new one? 30-50 year olds mostly need more than 2 seats. This is risky. I hope GM the best.
    It's a tricky thing

    I don't see the issue with going from a Front engine to a mid engine

    What I do see is a more exotic looking vehicle that appeals to a younger audience and perhaps a different older one?

    I don't know but eventually it had to happen you just reach the point where all Vettes looked the same except the C7

    I think C7 looked pretty damn good and was obviously a stepping stone to change the vehicle as it was such a departure from previous

    Round tail lights anyone?

    we were told round tail lights would be a turn off for traditional owners too
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    Re: New Corvette: GM Moves Engine, Stirs Revolt

    Coming from a Corvette family, where we own 5 going back to a ‘73, and reading the owners forums, I can tell you we’ve all gotten over the flip up head lights or tail lights. Those were nothing.

    The mid engine thing? No more manual? Those are something. It’s not funny on the owners forums.

    GM engineers and management better hire personal security.

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    Re: New Corvette: GM Moves Engine, Stirs Revolt

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    I think you still want your car to be drooled over and aspirational to a younger demographic

    But thats just my opinion
    The C7 was aspirational to a younger group, it's just that most of them
    can't justify the impracticality of owning a 2-seat sports car, that comes
    later in life when perhaps more people can get by with one as their main ride
    or even as a second or third vehicle.

    Perspective, we are talking about a sliver of a sliver here and even in
    a country of around 330 million, cars like these will sell in small numbers.
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    Re: New Corvette: GM Moves Engine, Stirs Revolt

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    You may be right but it doesnt change the fact that when you have your target audience getting older by the minute you need to change something

    Kids put posters of McLarens and Ferraris on their walls

    Tony Stark drives an Audi

    You get my drift here right?

    It's about perception
    And when today's young people are 60, with the disposable income to buy a toy, they will be looking to buy what they lusted after when they were young. Most current Corvette fans will be fine with the switch, though the disgruntled one's will be who makes the headlines because failure will sell more newspapers.

    I love how these opinions are already formed before anyone has seen it, driven it or know how much it will cost.

    GM sucks at a lot of stuff, but one thing they do well is performance. I have no doubt its performance will be world class.

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    Re: New Corvette: GM Moves Engine, Stirs Revolt

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    And when today's young people are 60, with the disposable income to buy a toy, they will be looking to buy what they lusted after when they were young. Most current Corvette fans will be fine with the switch, though the disgruntled one's will be who makes the headlines because failure will sell more newspapers.

    I love how these opinions are already formed before anyone has seen it, driven it or know how much it will cost.

    GM sucks at a lot of stuff, but one thing they do well is performance. I have no doubt its performance will be world class.
    Right now we have a boom in 70's muscle cars because the 50 year old guys who wanted one when they were a kid can now afford to buy one

    I know heaps of people lusted after Lambo's in the 70's and 80's but could never afford one and now they can so what do they buy?

    I tell you it isnt a Corvette or a Mustang that every man can get

    THey want that look
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    Re: New Corvette: GM Moves Engine, Stirs Revolt

    The constant negative coverage GM gets is mind boggling

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    Re: New Corvette: GM Moves Engine, Stirs Revolt

    So....what exactly is the hangup with moving the engine to the rear? Wasn't it done to IMPROVE performance? What is a Corvette for exactly, to cruise gently at the speed-limit by nostalgic retirees who only see the Corvette as a childhood fantasy finally realized? Corvettes are ALWAYS driving slower than the rest of traffic, it's hilarious to me! Corvette lost its exotic appeal long ago, this corrects it.

    How about creating some new customers for a change?
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    Re: New Corvette: GM Moves Engine, Stirs Revolt

    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    So....what exactly is the hangup with moving the engine to the rear? Wasn't it done to IMPROVE performance? What is a Corvette for exactly, to cruise gently at the speed-limit by nostalgic retirees who only see the Corvette as a childhood fantasy finally realized? Corvettes are ALWAYS driving slower than the rest of traffic, it's hilarious to me! Corvette lost its exotic appeal long ago, this corrects it.

    How about creating some new customers for a change?
    Exactly my point !!
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    Re: New Corvette: GM Moves Engine, Stirs Revolt

    It seems like the more extreme GM makes its vehicles,
    the fewer the buyers who are actually interested..

    From another thread...
    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    I suppose that basically confirms the BlackWing V8 is dead if they are confusingly repurposing the brand on cars without the engine. Seems like this strategy is the succession plan.
    GM has this wonderful engine that would be an absolute delight in the
    new C8 Corvette and fit the premise of a Euro Exotic fighter...
    but they can't even put a Blackwing engine in a Blackwing V

    Don't get me wrong, C8 is a brilliant effort, the thing I don't trust
    has and always will be GM's pathetic marketing of all things performance.
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    Re: New Corvette: GM Moves Engine, Stirs Revolt

    The success of this is going to depend on generation X having the desire and money to buy the new car, this is a huge gamble which as pointed out by GM suspension engineer wasn't required. However GM seeing Ford having people line up to pay $400,000+ for Ford GTs likely caused this, it came down to GM exces who made the decision on this one.

    The problem here is that the interior is going to have less room and for those who daily drive their Corvettes (which is a shockingly high number) it won't be as good for that. It will get the initial bump however as sales drop cost per car will go up and this will end up being a $100,000+ dollar car in base form unless then can figure out how to sell 30,000+ units a year. I honestly don't think that they will be able to pull off such a high volume and I see this becoming a model that sells a few thousand a year at a $100,000+ price tag starting. Though that will likely be ok for GM, they are likely willing to accept such a change as margin should go up and they will be able to charge a premium for the car.

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    Re: New Corvette: GM Moves Engine, Stirs Revolt

    I could certainly see GM misunderstanding the customer in an effort to do something THEY want to do, but it's not like GM hasn't considered their options on moving the Corvette forward. This could be Chevy responding to GT which would be something of a corporate vanity project that completely ignores their customers, especially if the price is GT-like. But I think their goal is just to make the Corvette relevant again while moving it back toward the exotic and less toward the muscle-car. That may not be the right direction for the Chevy customer, but risk is part of the game.
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    Re: New Corvette: GM Moves Engine, Stirs Revolt

    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    So....what exactly is the hangup with moving the engine to the rear? Wasn't it done to IMPROVE performance? What is a Corvette for exactly, to cruise gently at the speed-limit by nostalgic retirees who only see the Corvette as a childhood fantasy finally realized? Corvettes are ALWAYS driving slower than the rest of traffic, it's hilarious to me! Corvette lost its exotic appeal long ago, this corrects it.

    How about creating some new customers for a change?
    Based on GM suspension engineering this wasn't done to improve performance but to target a different market segment.

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    Re: New Corvette: GM Moves Engine, Stirs Revolt

    Quote Originally Posted by roadkillz View Post
    Based on GM suspension engineering this wasn't done to improve performance but to target a different market segment.
    ^^^^ He gets it.

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