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    Re: More Where It Matters: 2020 Silverado 1500

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    So you're saying that it's okay for Ford to limit the 3.5L HO to only two trims, but not okay when GM does it?

    I personally don't care, but I like pointing out all the hypocrisy.
    Or how about let's look at it this way. Instead of looking at Ford limiting their top level engines, let's look at the fact that they have a lot of good top end ones, and mid levels. Meanwhile, GM is sorely lacking in good mid-level engines I'd argue. That might sound a little confusing.

    But here we go, starting with Ford. The 3.5 HO is an awesome engine, and limited availability. BUT, you can still get the great 3.5 at 375 hp and 470 ft-lbs, or the proven 5.0 at 395 hp and 400 ft-lbs. So even though you can't get the top of the line engine in all trims, they next two offerings are great engines with good hp and torque levels.

    Now onto the Silverado/Sierra. The 420hp, 460 ft-lb 6.2 is a great engine, but was limited availability. So what's the next option you can get in most of the trucks? The 5.3 with 355 hp and 383 ft-lbs. That's quite a bit lesser engine than the two common offerings of the Ford trucks. And GM offers yet the 2.7L and 4.3L even further below that. Even the 2.7 Ecoboost is comparable to the 5.3, 30 hp shy but with 17 more ft-lbs. So while GM offers a number of engine options, they seem to be skewed towards the bottom end of the performance range.

    And even though Ram only offers the 5.7 as their mainstream engine, and top of the line, it still makes 395 hp and 410 ft-lbs, adequate for the vast majority of truck owners. Would a bigger engine be cooler? Yes. Do I really need it? No. the 5.7 Hemi has been a great workhorse for me.

    GM's failing isn't as much not offering the 6.2 in lesser models, but more of a fault of focusing more on lower end engines... not sure why they need the 2.7, 4.3, and 5.3. They need something in between the 5.3 and 6.2 instead of all the low line engines. Why not go back to the great old 5.7?
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    Re: More Where It Matters: 2020 Silverado 1500

    Great. Now fix the God damn interiors and DO NOT **** up the NG trucks, now that you know what we demand out of them.
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    Re: More Where It Matters: 2020 Silverado 1500

    Quote Originally Posted by TruckMan View Post
    So you're saying that it's okay for Ford to limit the 3.5L HO to only two trims, but not okay when GM does it?

    I personally don't care, but I like pointing out all the hypocrisy.
    Ok.

    Why is the 6.2L L86 (420/460) the ONLY 6.2L available in a Silverado of Any Trim Level? Why not the 6.2L LT1 with 455/455

    Ditto
    I personally don't care, but I like pointing out all the hypocrisy
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    Re: More Where It Matters: 2020 Silverado 1500

    I think I'll be trading my 19 LD in next Spring on a Trail Boss with the 5.3 10 speed. I'll take a good licking in depreciation but yolo. Hopefully by then the local dealers won't be gouging like they were this past Winter on the new style trucks, might even snag a unbeatable deal on a leftover 19 TB and live with the 8 speed.

    So far I still love my Silverado. The thing gets unreal fuel economy (I average 20 MPG with a 70/30 Highway/City mix) and has great power. I just love the new body style too much, I have to have one!

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    The 3.5HO is in the Raptor, what comparable truck does GM offer? The standard 3.5 was available for years in ALL trim levels before the HO made production.

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    Re: More Where It Matters: 2020 Silverado 1500

    This proves again that GM isn't motivated by CAFE. The Tall Boss is rated lower than other trims for its dys-aerodynamic qualities and big tires, yet it gets the big boss mojo motor.

    Time to loosen the strings and act weird - like wacko Dodge and Ford by offering all the engines in everything instead of living in GM land where engines are part of the trim, as in LT 4cyl, 5.3L std on LTZ etc.

    How many commercial buyers would want the 4cyl turbo? You could be way ahead on upfront cost compared to buying a diesel. A perfect option for WT and boosts mileage, but GM gets so anal retentive about these trim levels.

    There's a reason the others don't do this. This move with the big engine is one small step for a Mary, but could be a giant leap for mankind. By making Her Majesty's 376 available on WT, even charging nearly the same as 4wd - $3,500, you could get a Custom 2wd for under $40K total.

    But this issue brings up the larger one, which is why they have the 5.3 at all, when Cylinder de-activation has expanded in scope. The bigger 376 cubes can run in AFM longer, gaining more from it than the 325cid version. I think the 325 is a fine engine, and could be tuned for more economy and reliability and offered as the base engine, with the 6.2l optional in anything, maybe just at less expense on higher trim models.
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    Re: More Where It Matters: 2020 Silverado 1500

    Quote Originally Posted by TruckMan View Post
    So you're saying that it's okay for Ford to limit the 3.5L HO to only two trims, but not okay when GM does it?

    I personally don't care, but I like pointing out all the hypocrisy.


    Quote Originally Posted by InCogKneeToe View Post
    Ok.

    Why is the 6.2L L86 (420/460) the ONLY 6.2L available in a Silverado of Any Trim Level? Why not the 6.2L LT1 with 455/455

    Ditto
    I was about to say the same thing; slightly different..........

    What if GM offered the current 6.2L across the board, and then top-top models one that was tweaked a bit and had ~10% more power?

    GM has done something like this in the past, with the higher output in Cadillac or whatever; nobody has ever complained about that.
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    Re: More Where It Matters: 2020 Silverado 1500

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    MORE WHERE IT MATTERS: 2020 SILVERADO 1500
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    DETROIT — For 2020, Chevrolet makes the strongest, most advanced Silverado even more so with several new features that include the new 10-speed automatic transmission paired with the 5.3L V-8 standard on the LT Trail Boss and available on the High Country; the legendary 6.2L V-8 offered on Custom Trail Boss, LT Trail Boss and RST trims; and available technologies including new trailering features and Adaptive Cruise Control – Camera1.

    “In today’s truck market, customers continually demand more features, more technology and more capability,” said Tim Herrick, executive chief engineer of Full-Size Trucks. “For 2020, we are delivering more in each of these areas. As a result, the Silverado now offers customers the most towing capability of any light-duty pickup and the most affordable light-duty truck with more than 400 horsepower.”

    New 6.2L V-8 availability for Trail Boss, RST models

    For 2020, more than half of Silverado trim levels will be available with the 6.2L V-8 with an SAE-certified 420 hp and 460 lb-ft of torque, paired with a 10-speed automatic transmission.

    For the Custom Trail Boss and the LT Trail Boss, that power is paired with a 2-inch factory suspension lift and the Z71 Off Road Package with a locking rear differential, skid plates, Rancho® mono-tube off-road shocks, 18-inch wheels and Goodyear Duratrac off-road tires. The Custom Trail Boss with the 6.2L V-8 starts at $43,865, making it the most affordable light-duty truck with more than 400 horsepower on the market.

    “The Trail Boss models are already some of the most popular in the Silverado franchise,” said Sandor Piszar, director of Chevrolet Truck Marketing. “Adding the available 6.2L V-8 will ratchet that excitement up even further. Starting under $44,000 for the Custom Trail Boss, Chevrolet offers enthusiasts an affordable truck with serious performance on and off road.”

    Also new for 2020, the 6.2L V-8 is available on Silverado RST models equipped with four-wheel drive. As a result, the maximum towing capacity of the Silverado is increased to a class-leading 13,400 pounds when properly equipped.



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    GM kinda of fixed the 6.2L Availability issue, it is still not available in ANY truck/trim in 2WD, yet I can get the 3.5EB in all F-150s in 2WD or 4WD (my choice), and the 3.5HO is offered on the Limited 2WD as well as 4WD - typical GM doing it half way.

    GM has to make the 10-speed the standard transmission on all 5.3L/6.2L DFM V8's in 2WD and 4WD and need to drop the 6-speed and use the 8-speed on the 4.3L/5.3L AFM engines in order to simplify the choices, while improving performance and hopefully MPG. Think the 5.3L with 10-speed will remove many of the complaints of 5.3L performance while improving the 5.3L's real world MPG numbers that are segment leading for V8 Full Size Trucks. Using the 8-speed on the 4.3L AFM V6 (like the Express/Savana) will match RAM's 3.6L/8-speed and will outperform it in the real world since the 4.3L V6 is the best performing NA V6 in the segment due to it's superior Torque.

    Doing this removes an entire Transmission and one column from the posted chart and has to be more cost effective than the current offerings and would give GM an advantage over the F-150 in Fleet V6 Trucks.

    Problem is that the 6.2L availability is a minor issue compared to the De-contenting of key features by eliminating them completely, or the uncompetitive top level interiors/features and there is no reason for there not to be an option for adjustable pedals (available in F-150 XLT and up) and was THE reason my Boss finally got rid of his old F-150 XLT (pedals stopped working), and when you are 6'4" and your wife is 5' 5" it is a VERY BIG issue and the fact he could Number 1 get the feature and Number 2 it was available the trim level he was buying, it closed the deal.

    Now I want to see pictures of all of the members who "would buy a new GM truck if it only offered the 6.2L on more trims", I did post that I did not think it was a huge issue for 2019 and that GM would expand the 6.2L for 2020 (especially in the Trail Boss) and posted that adding the 10-speed to the 5.3L would be more than enough for most buyers since most buyers are happy with the 5.3L performance since it delivers great MPG numbers for their trucks.

    Hopefully GM will do a 2020.5 "update" and "Re-Content" the key missing features at least as options and further expand the 10-speed to all 5.3L DFM engines and expand availability to 2WD models, followed closely with an update in top level interior trims.

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