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    It's funny people complaining about GM quality in the 70s and 80s I had three Toyotas >>
    1986 Toyota Regular cab long bed 4x4 22r 5 speed , good truck .
    1985 Toyota regular cab long bed 4x4 truck , it threw a rod through the block and it was rusty as hell even the frame had rust holes , sold it

    1991 Toyota Corolla it also threw a rod through the block , I ended up scraping it.

    I had drank the toyota kool aid in those years by the gallon hence my G.M.I. user name .
    I bought a new 2004 Silverado regular cab longbed 4x4 v6 5 speed in 2004 and year or so later I had the toyota bug hit me again and noticed that the local toyota dealer had a new regular cab longbed 4x4 tundra in stock , I wanted to take test drive and the battery was dead the salesman was going to get a jump pack so I said forget it and spit out the kool aid , my 2004 Silverado battery lasted 10 years and has always started .
    I bought the Honda Kool-Aid and while my 1979 Civic was dependable it starting rusting when it was less than 4 years old and was ready to throw away at the 8 year point. Still drove it for many years without any major breakdowns.

    My sister had an early-80s Buick Skylark during the same timeframe and it was a decent car. The articles title of "Anatomy of a Miserable Failure" is really not true. Mopar was selling tons of K-cars at the same and FoMoCo offered the Escort/Lynx and Fairmont/Zephyr which also sold in large numbers.
    My brother has a k-car that's been run pretty hard and it will sits for months and still starts right up .
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    Re: A Look Back: "GMs X-Cars: Anatomy of a Miserable Failure"

    Does any other country spend this much time re-hashing 40 year old issues? While the X cars had their problems, I think a lot of folks have rose-colored glasses about how much better other cars were. I hear this refrain frequently: My (domestic car) was awful, so I bought a Toyondassanishi and my life was so much better. Folks seem to forget that most cars in the 70's and 80's were really pretty bad by our standards today. All of them rusted out, most of them had very short and expensive maintenance schedules.

    I'm ambivalent about the X cars myself, but I can understand if you got a bad one, you would be p!ssed. So would I. Back in the early 80's, I bought a new 1980 Mercury Capri RS with the turbocharged engine. It had a lot of issues, which forced me to trade it in much sooner than I wanted. This also had the side effect of putting me deeply in debt, too. My then-girlfriend was given a 1978 Honda Accord automatic from her parents; for all of the praise heaped upon these cars, if I'd paid real money for one, I'd been p!ssed. The car prematurely rusted, the emissions system had problems, after two years the interior panels were starting to sag... And many more I don't remember. This girl's parents were always thrilled that the dealer fixed most of the problems for free. But I would have been p!ssed to have my car out of service for so long.

    I used to think that the braking issues with the X cars was something horrible, until I saw old Motor Week videos of other contemporary and even mid 1980's cars. They frequently suffered from lock up and swaying, and in some cases swapping ends in their instrumented tests. Go back even further to the old Bud Lindemann films and this was quite common. I'm not even remotely saying that this was a good thing, but I feel that it was hyped up like the unstable steering on the original Omni-rizons or the allegedly roll over prone Suzukis several years later.

    The real issue with much of this was General Motors' management's combative attitude with the Feds and secondly, the local dealers' (of any brand) lack of empathy with their customers. As an example, in the 1980's, I bought a Dodge Lancer from my nearest Dodge dealer. It had some (then) normal post delivery issues. They were totally unsympathetic to my plight, which wasn't unusual back then. I then took it to a competing Dodge agency in a nearby town that I worked in. They understood customer service, took care of the issues and made me a loyal customer (until I moved out of state). I can say that the two GM dealers I use here in town have very good customer service. I like to think that message has been successfully transmitted and received.

    Back to the original article, there's usually no follow up to see how things have progressed. Little mention about the improved later X bodies, or that subsequent models didn't have the same faults, or how substantially the industry has changed in 40 years. It's like we're somehow frozen in 1981 forever. No mention of equally frustrating but apparently forgotten gaffes that other manufacturers have unloaded onto the buying public since then, also.

    But hey, Asian car companies can do no wrong, right?
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    Re: A Look Back: "GMs X-Cars: Anatomy of a Miserable Failure"

    Part of GM's constant problems are the people who sit here with their heads in the clouds defending them. I can go back 10, 15 and 20 years and recount all of the issues GM, Ford and Chrysler had. Let's start with GM since I worked at the dealerships for 6 years combined:

    -3.8 V6 intake gasket issues that included cars catching fire and burning up buildings. GM didn't recall them for almost a decade.
    -3.6 V6 timing chain issues that ran nearly a decade before GM fixed the motor. Before that people were having to pay out of pocket and GM blamed long oil life intervals that they themselves set.
    -Northstar V8 that nearly killed Cadillac in the 90's that wasn't fixed for a decade even though GM knew in 1995 there was an issue. A $5k repair on a car that wasn't worth as much.
    -GMC Acadia/Buick Enclave/Chevrolet Traverse that need front struts and power steering rack replacements before 100k miles. This is a $2k repair. Also the 6 speed automatic wave plate problems too.
    -GM's 8 speed transmissions that have been clunking, fluttering and having shifting issues for five years and just now got a final fix.
    -Last gen GMC/Chevrolet trucks that have condenser problems that cost around $1k out of warranty to fix. GMC has special coverage for this, Chevrolet does not.
    -Last generation 5.3's having oil consumption problems that were refused a fix for the first few years until GM finally relented.
    -CUE screens that have continuously cracked over and over again. They now have a special coverage for people to pay $200 out of warranty instead of $1k+ they were charging before.

    I can go on but I'll just stop here. Before all you tell me that Honda and Toyota have problems I'm totally aware of that (including the 1.5 Honda turbo that just got an extra year of powertrain coverage after 3 years of being on the market) but it doesn't stop the fact that GM still hasn't learned their lesson and still produces some shoddy cars.
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    Re: A Look Back: "GMs X-Cars: Anatomy of a Miserable Failure"

    I still buy GM products because I haven't had any of the issues ryannel2003 listed or those spouted by any of the other anti-GM posters on this site. The only car I've owned since 1986 that gave me problems was the lone imported car, a 1987 Nissan Sentra. While it rode well and had great headlights, I hated that car. My current car is the best GM model I've ever owned. I knew about the tight back seat and non-hybrid mileage figures before I bought it and they didn't bother me.

    I have four names on the shortlist for my next car; 75 percent of them are GM nameplates.

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    Re: A Look Back: "GMs X-Cars: Anatomy of a Miserable Failure"

    Quote Originally Posted by Tethys View Post
    I still buy GM products because I haven't had any of the issues ryannel2003 listed or those spouted by any of the other anti-GM posters on this site. The only car I've owned since 1986 that gave me problems was the lone imported car, a 1987 Nissan Sentra. While it rode well and had great headlights, I hated that car. My current car is the best GM model I've ever owned. I knew about the tight back seat and non-hybrid mileage figures before I bought it and they didn't bother me.

    I have four names on the shortlist for my next car; 75 percent of them are GM nameplates.
    I'm not anti-GM. Stop being so childish and petty when someone doesn't share the same small minded opinion as you do. I've had three GM vehicles and they all had their fair share of problems. My grandfather had a 2006 Impala SS that had transmission failure, 3 broken blend doors and oil consumption before 50k miles. My mother had a 1999 Suburban and 2001 Yukon XL that both had transmission failures. She later had a 2008 Yukon XL Denali that had a cracked dashboard, a broken door lock actuator and a nasty water leak.

    You have a Buick Verano... I hope you don't have clearcoat failure like the three people at my dealership did with theirs. Good luck.
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    Re: A Look Back: "GMs X-Cars: Anatomy of a Miserable Failure"

    Quote Originally Posted by Tethys View Post
    I still buy GM products because I haven't had any of the issues ryannel2003 listed or those spouted by any of the other anti-GM posters on this site. The only car I've owned since 1986 that gave me problems was the lone imported car, a 1987 Nissan Sentra. While it rode well and had great headlights, I hated that car. My current car is the best GM model I've ever owned. I knew about the tight back seat and non-hybrid mileage figures before I bought it and they didn't bother me.

    I have four names on the shortlist for my next car; 75 percent of them are GM nameplates.
    Calling out GM for missteps is not being anti GM, it's being honest.. I've had good experiences and bad. My new '03 Blazer was basically a heap over 38k miles. My used Northstar Caddy basically had something fail every 6 months during my ownership. Our '10 Traverse didn't have the timing chain nor waveplate issues, but had most of the other Lambda issues already named. Our '17 has been good so far. My T/A was always rock solid for the abuse I throw at it (a stack of about 200 1/4 mile slips). My '89 was trouble free, greatly appreciated by a broke HS/college kid. My SS is awesome and I'll drive it til it dies. The Regal GS was mostly fine for 50k miles until I traded it.
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    Re: A Look Back: "GMs X-Cars: Anatomy of a Miserable Failure"

    For the record I've owned five different GM vehicles over the years. Three Buicks and two Chevrolets. Only one of the five was a "problem" vehicle and it was a 2008 Chevrolet Impala LT. The other four were good vehicles and had fewer problems than my three Hondas.

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    Re: A Look Back: "GMs X-Cars: Anatomy of a Miserable Failure"

    Quote Originally Posted by geozinger_again View Post
    Does any other country spend this much time re-hashing 40 year old issues? While the X cars had their problems, I think a lot of folks have rose-colored glasses about how much better other cars were.
    A FWD 1981 Ford sure wasn't any better.
    I pretty much avoided FWD cars thoughout the '80's and '90's.
    I drove RWD cars and 4WD trucks because they worked better and performed much better.

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    Re: A Look Back: "GMs X-Cars: Anatomy of a Miserable Failure"

    Quote Originally Posted by ryannel2003 View Post
    Part of GM's constant problems are the people who sit here with their heads in the clouds defending them. I can go back 10, 15 and 20 years and recount all of the issues GM, Ford and Chrysler had. Let's start with GM since I worked at the dealerships for 6 years combined:

    -3.8 V6 intake gasket issues that included cars catching fire and burning up buildings. GM didn't recall them for almost a decade.
    -3.6 V6 timing chain issues that ran nearly a decade before GM fixed the motor. Before that people were having to pay out of pocket and GM blamed long oil life intervals that they themselves set.
    -Northstar V8 that nearly killed Cadillac in the 90's that wasn't fixed for a decade even though GM knew in 1995 there was an issue. A $5k repair on a car that wasn't worth as much.
    -GMC Acadia/Buick Enclave/Chevrolet Traverse that need front struts and power steering rack replacements before 100k miles. This is a $2k repair. Also the 6 speed automatic wave plate problems too.
    -GM's 8 speed transmissions that have been clunking, fluttering and having shifting issues for five years and just now got a final fix.
    -Last gen GMC/Chevrolet trucks that have condenser problems that cost around $1k out of warranty to fix. GMC has special coverage for this, Chevrolet does not.
    -Last generation 5.3's having oil consumption problems that were refused a fix for the first few years until GM finally relented.
    -CUE screens that have continuously cracked over and over again. They now have a special coverage for people to pay $200 out of warranty instead of $1k+ they were charging before.

    I can go on but I'll just stop here. Before all you tell me that Honda and Toyota have problems I'm totally aware of that (including the 1.5 Honda turbo that just got an extra year of powertrain coverage after 3 years of being on the market) but it doesn't stop the fact that GM still hasn't learned their lesson and still produces some shoddy cars.
    I'll add Complete brakeline failure on full sized trucks. Not sure if it's still a problem but I've had 3 friends and family who lost their brakes without warning at all, which is just nuts. Thankfully none of them were killed.

    I'm not a pickup truck buyer myself but this would be a big red flag for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Let Them Fail View Post
    I'll add Complete brakeline failure on full sized trucks. Not sure if it's still a problem but I've had 3 friends and family who lost their brakes without warning at all, which is just nuts. Thankfully none of them were killed.

    I'm not a pickup truck buyer myself but this would be a big red flag for me.
    That is a customer maintenance item. Not taking responsibility for maintaining your vehicle does not make it the manufacturer's responsibility.

    You must be a millenial. "Nothing is my responsibility..." Huge issue in the public.

    MAINTAIN your vehicle! There are no short cuts. Toyotas and Hondas will crap out with no maintenance too. Don't look for someone to blame when you are too lazy to do it. If you are that lazy, own up and pay to get it checked and fixed.

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    Re: A Look Back: "GMs X-Cars: Anatomy of a Miserable Failure"

    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    How did you determine that, .....GM is now one of the most hated companies in America.?
    From everything I've seen on social media since their November 26 restructuring announcement. They are absolutely hated. From the millions of disgruntled former owners of crappy cars from their dark days to the haters that still talk about the bailout. Watch any YouTube video with anything to do with GM and 90% of the comments will be negative. Honda Passport = Great / Chevy Blazer + crap. It seems they'll never be able to shake off their bad reputation, I mean people are still talking **** about the Vega on internet forums, a car that was released 50 years ago.

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