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    Re: CY2019 - RAM > Silverado 10.1%: How It Happened

    Some of this back and forth is getting ridiculous.

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    Re: CY2019 - RAM > Silverado 10.1%: How It Happened

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    Some of this back and forth is getting ridiculous.
    I can't wait for the 2021 F Series, and GM slips even further. The excuses from some will be rampant here

    There is Nothing Wrong! 13-14% of the Market is fine as long as there is a Profit. 30% Market Share of 2002 is Proof GM still Has It.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InCogKneeToe View Post
    I can't wait for the 2021 F Series, and GM slips even further. The excuses from some will be rampant here

    There is Nothing Wrong! 13-14% of the Market is fine as long as there is a Profit. 30% Market Share of 2002 is Proof GM still Has It.
    As long as there is a profit...in which to bring us these promised and promised again 'lectrik carz. .

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    Re: CY2019 - RAM > Silverado 10.1%: How It Happened

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    As long as there is a profit...in which to bring us these promised and promised again 'lectrik carz. .
    What about 'lectrik truckz?
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    Re: CY2019 - RAM > Silverado 10.1%: How It Happened

    Quote Originally Posted by TruckMan View Post
    You can't sale what you don't have - incentives or not. Let's see how 2020 plays out. GM and Ram aren't changing the their trucks much, so it'll be a fair assessment.

    I'll state my position again - there are several factors for why Ram outsold Silverado, and allegedly being a "better" truck wasn't the primary one.
    1ST my "prognostication" Silverado WILL re outsell RAM in 2020 as 6.2L LT "trailboss" becomes more widespread
    and the RAM "classic" Warlock" can ONLY sell so many copies and I doubt FCA has a LOT in the "trunk" to make a new / better package
    and in MY parts at least you can NOT swing a cat without hitting a "classic" RAM and the RESALE stinks big time

    I do not think the STRIKE had ANYTHING at all to do with the #s BUT DO think a % is from the "politics" of shuttering plants and consumers boycotting GM
    - again no shortage of Silverado's around my part - unlike FORD around 15-16 and the F150 was a bit rare on the ground

    2ND the PRICE FCA is ASKING for the "classics" EX the "warlock" even without discounts is WAY below what GM/FORD sell a similarly equipped truck so I would say the "discount game" IS PART of RAM's lead even if it is NOT A truck "DISCOUNT %"
    GM/FORD could offer a LT/XLT with all the "bells" but WON'T because it will cannibalize premium truck sales BUT as RAM "classic" does NOT HAVE a premium truck and the NEW VS CLASSIC is quite a BIG GULF
    it is NOT a BIG MCE but a NEW truck in comparison quieter / BIGGER / more comfortable - all noticeable on a test drive

    IMHO 2021 FORD will pull ahead again with a "NEW" F150 BUT hopefully BOTH GM and FCA have MCE / package realignment to counter

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    Re: CY2019 - RAM > Silverado 10.1%: How It Happened

    How did GM design the front view of the Silverado?

    Put a front view of Silverado grill on the darts board.

    1st dart is where Bowtie goes, 2nd dart is where the horizontal Chevrolet bar is positioned vertically.

    Chevy designers are no good at darts, just pleased they never hit the roof or windscreen with the bowtie badge dart, the front end especially the grill looks very sloppy like nobody really cares anymore in GM's design office, dont get me onto the stick our lugs the front door mirrors what a total mess..




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    What comes around, also goes around. GM dropped the ball with their unattractive styling.

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    Re: CY2019 - RAM > Silverado 10.1%: How It Happened

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    As long as there is a profit...in which to bring us these promised and promised again 'lectrik carz. .
    GM is a "Tech Company" and all!

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    Re: CY2019 - RAM > Silverado 10.1%: How It Happened

    Quote Originally Posted by InCogKneeToe View Post
    GM is a "Tech Company" and all!
    Electric is the future, the future is now!......
    News break...
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    https://www.columbiadailyherald.com/...in-spring-hill

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    Re: CY2019 - RAM > Silverado 10.1%: How It Happened

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    Re: CY2019 - RAM > Silverado 10.1%: How It Happened

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsmobile stopped View Post
    How did GM design the front view of the Silverado?

    Put a front view of Silverado grill on the darts board.

    1st dart is where Bowtie goes, 2nd dart is where the horizontal Chevrolet bar is positioned vertically.

    Chevy designers are no good at darts, just pleased they never hit the roof or windscreen with the bowtie badge dart, the front end especially the grill looks very sloppy like nobody really cares anymore in GM's design office, dont get me onto the stick our lugs the front door mirrors what a total mess..




    It's enough to drive you to drink, sorry buying a Ram classic.
    The front on shot doesn't look good but IMO those were released first to stir up controversy...The 3/4 view doesn't look all that bad and the HD Custom TrailBoss looks pretty bad ass.
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    Re: CY2019 - RAM > Silverado 10.1%: How It Happened

    The February 2020 Car and Driver article Diesel Half-Ton Tug of War: Chevy vs. Ford vs. Ram has the answer to the question in the OP. Here's an excerpt:

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    "The scary thing for the competition is that the Ram isn't just good for a truck; it's just plain good."
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    Looking at my reports; Warren Assembly stopped making the "Ram Classic" last summer, GM just stopped making the K2XX's in Oshawa last month........
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