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    Re: Chevy Blazer Review: "How could something so cheap-feeling cost so much?"

    Quote Originally Posted by canadian.bacon View Post
    Didn't they have to redesign the '17 ( i think) Civic in a rush, like 6 months into the new launch because of the horrendous cheap interiors and abhorrent reviews from absolutely all outlets? Well, at least they did something about.

    And no, they don't last forever, not anymore; google the 1.5T they have, exploding ones especially. They leak gas into the oil till they literally explode. Last time I checked on it, quite a while ago, the dealers' answer was to change the oil every 500KM (~310miles) - not sure if they fixed it somehow.
    Mr Honda (@ryannel2003) here can chime in - unless he is like my GM dealer "truck expert" that told me he never heard of the Chevy shake.
    Yeah that 1.5 issue is specific to Japan and a few CR-V’s here in the US. They put that motor in Accord, Civic and CR-V and I haven’t seen a single one at my dealership come back with the problem. But when I worked at GM I saw constant issues with the 8 speed transmissions that are just now getting an actual fix.
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    Re: Chevy Blazer Review: "How could something so cheap-feeling cost so much?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mingo View Post
    This is one of the few enlightened clear explanations of what happened in the Gov't bailout of GM. Thank you Z284ever! It was all about saving the UAW. If GM had been allowed to go through a real bankruptcy, all the assets like plants, equipment, designs and trademarks etc. would have been sold. The assets would have been used to produce vehicles and workers would have been hired but there would be no UAW albatross around the necks of the new entities.
    That is probably one of the most naive takes on what could've happened had GM gone through a true bankruptcy....Banks weren't lending money back then due to the credit crunch, so no US investor would've taken over and no outside automaker was going to swoop in and pick up the tab to prop up one of their competitors...GM would've definitely gone to the Chinese (I'm 99.9% certain of that)...and you would've definitely complained about that (100% certain of that).

    What we have now is the best GM we were going to get out of the deal...some necessary sacrifices were made (Pontiac/Hummer/Saab) some not made (Buick/GMC), but at the end of the day, GM is a profitable company thanks to the bailout. Fact of the matter is that now GM doesn't owe the gov't a damn thing, no loyalty, no $$$, no nothing....they owe their shareholders to not go bankrupt again.
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    Re: Chevy Blazer Review: "How could something so cheap-feeling cost so much?"

    All I know is we are going on a half year since release and I have not seen a single one on the road yet! The prices on these things are a easy 10 grand to high across all model lines imo. Even 10k less I myself would never pay real money for one, I would rather take the bus to be honest!

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    Re: Chevy Blazer Review: "How could something so cheap-feeling cost so much?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    U get it.

    And to the rest.. I'm not saying GM shouldn't be grateful that the Bush Admin.. and then Obama admin extended a helping hand.. but it seems that many are not clear on just how things work, let alone how things ended up turning out. Furthermore.. the alternatives would have been catastrophic:

    Alternative 1: GM goes to another country for loans.. China? Did U really want that?
    Alternative 2: GM folds. Leaving over 2-4 million people jobless with 6 months of its closure.. because we all forget the collateral damage..
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    Alternative 3: Toyota, at the time, as they were probably the only ones who had the cash to do it.. and/or maybe Ghosn and Nissan/Renault (that would have been a $#!+ show considering his current situation) could have bought up broken pieces of General Motors..

    As a long time patriot and lover of this country.. ex AF and extreme taxpayer.. stealing a line from JAYZ:

    "Now these baby ballers, toy rappers
    Callin out my name to bring the boy backwards
    Shooting air-balls at the basket
    What you call money, I pay more in taxes"

    I really wouldn't have wanted any of these scenarios. GM is strong now.. but as a corporation they have to look at certain cost savings measures.. and guess what.. LABOR is the most expensive of all costs in the industry. More than tech.. more than materials.. more than the lights.

    Should GM export vehicles made in Mexico to the US? Well.. I say sure, but even I would rather those vehicles be made here.. my country first. BUT!!! My country.. the UAW.. needs to understand that even when the new trade policy kicks in.. $16hr is still a lot more advantageous than $28hr.. plus benefits. Again.. people want to be mad at GM or ANY maker for building in Mexico.. realize that the reason they are is because of the UNITED AUTO WORKERS and UNIFOR. Toyota can build here.. BMW can too.. but let talk of Unionization start taking real hold.. they'll close that plant down.. like they did back in '09-10 at NUMMI. If GM was not so ingrained in the midwest.. I would say they should have moved to the southern half of the United Sates. But again.. those UNIONS and their PROTESTS.


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    Option 4, the Obama administration could have loaned GM the 50 billion, instead of giving it to them for stock. The Bush administration did it right, they gave GM a loan, which GM paid back with the money given to them by Obama. The tax payer would not have lost a dime if it had been a loan. There was another option which was ignored.
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    So to get back on topic and.. I just stopped past dealership and took a few pics of a Blazer Premier MsRP was $47K with a $4K discount now bring it to $43K. Still trying to figure out how the interior is cheap.. Looks very nice to me.. With the exception of the one thing I get pissed off on all GM vehicles.. The steering wheel hub.. Not including the leather wrapped Cadillac ones



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    Re: Chevy Blazer Review: "How could something so cheap-feeling cost so much?"

    Quote Originally Posted by TORRED1 View Post
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    Option 4, the Obama administration could have loaned GM the 50 billion, instead of giving it to them for stock. The Bush administration did it right, they gave GM a loan, which GM paid back with the money given to them by Obama. The tax payer would not have lost a dime if it had been a loan. There was another option which was ignored.
    Here's the problem w/ that...GM burned through the Bush $$$ in 9 months.

    Let me see if i can put this into an analogy you might understand.

    Lets say you have a brother who is a father of 3 but also a meth addict who is burning through 10K a month and is now broke. You don't want to see him and his family on the streets so you intervene. Do you just blindly hand him a check for $50K and hope he finally gets his ---t together or do you step in and take a controlling interest in his life...get him off meth, manage his finances...etc. That's what the Obama admin did, by purchasing stock, they gained a controlling interest so that they can monitor and intervene in case the recovery wasn't shaping up the way it needed.
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    Re: Chevy Blazer Review: "How could something so cheap-feeling cost so much?"

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    Not too sure you understood the analogy...the bank (us govt) leant him (gm) $$$. He(gm) repaid the loan from the bank (us govt). So now, he (gm) doesn't owe the bank (us govt) anything, no favors preferential treatment...anything
    GM is an American company bailed out by Americans. They darn well owe America everything for eternity for their very existence. OR they'd all be on unemployment starting around August of 2008.

    The gaul they have to build plants in Mexico while laying Americans off - seriously, Mary Barra deserves a very hard smack in the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastbal1 View Post
    GM is an American company bailed out by Americans. They darn well owe America everything for eternity for their very existence. OR they'd all be on unemployment starting around August of 2008.

    The gaul they have to build plants in Mexico while laying Americans off - seriously, Mary Barra deserves a very hard smack in the face.
    Hypothetically speaking...if they move all their production back to US/Canada and end up going back into BK...would you support another bailout to save American jobs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    My history knowledge is fine.. And being part Japanese, and spending many a summer in Kobe.. Believe me.. Americans are a lot more loving of Japanese than they are of us. Tends to breed undercover hate when U drop a bomb and obliterate a half mill people only 80 years ago
    At the risk of going way off topic lets just say it had to be done. They probably will never learn what the previous empire was doing. If they did, if they really taught the truth of what their previous empire was about, they'd be thankful America ended the war when we did.

    Besides, Japan is one of the world leaders in pretty much everything today. I'd say they could thank you know who for that but that might get a little touchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingo View Post
    This is one of the few enlightened clear explanations of what happened in the Gov't bailout of GM. Thank you Z284ever! It was all about saving the UAW. If GM had been allowed to go through a real bankruptcy, all the assets like plants, equipment, designs and trademarks etc. would have been sold. The assets would have been used to produce vehicles and workers would have been hired but there would be no UAW albatross around the necks of the new entities.
    It was always about saving the UAW. Taxpayers, Shareholders, everyone and everything else be damned. Hell, they even GAVE Chrysler to Fiat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    Hypothetically speaking...if they move all their production back to US/Canada and end up going back into BK...would you support another bailout to save American jobs?
    The way they're heading they might need to stave off an investor takeover if market share keeps taking a nose dive. The April sales numbers were damn rough and how long can GM survive with their cash cows shedding double digits MoM??

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    Re: Chevy Blazer Review: "How could something so cheap-feeling cost so much?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Z284ever View Post
    Had the taxpayer not stepped in to save GM, actually it was to save the UAW, and not altered the BK rules so the shareholders got NOTHING but a screwing, some private equity firm would have picked up GM and fired all the dead wood politicals. Chevy and Cadillac would have definitely survived, leaner meaner, maybe smarter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mingo View Post
    This is one of the few enlightened clear explanations of what happened in the Gov't bailout of GM. Thank you Z284ever! It was all about saving the UAW. If GM had been allowed to go through a real bankruptcy, all the assets like plants, equipment, designs and trademarks etc. would have been sold. The assets would have been used to produce vehicles and workers would have been hired but there would be no UAW albatross around the necks of the new entities.
    No. I just mentioned this in another thread. Do we forget what happened to the credit markets on September 15th 2008?

    That is why the Bush Administration gave GM cash in 12/08. That is why the government stepped in as the lender of last resort in 2009 for a reorganization. There was no private equity firm flush with cash that was going to swoop in with cash in 2009 to buy a ****ty asset while the auto markets were crumbling. Are we forgetting Chrysler at the time was owned by a private equity firm? There was no bank in 2009 that was going to float the billions in loans to a troubled automaker when many were taking TARP funds to stay afloat. All while the market bottomed out in 2/09.

    This is as bad as the guy who told me years ago that GM shouldn't have been bailed out by the government and (long before he had political aspirations) that Donald Trump or someone else would've just bought GM.

    Again, the feds were the only ones who had the capital to finance a $50B reorganization. It wasn't happening through traditional means, and it wasn't just to bail out 100K UAW workers. You can argue that it wasn't done to your preference, and that's fine I won't dispute it. But NO ONE else was going to step in for GM and they would have gone to liquidation. The Bush Administration recognized how dire it was in 12/09 (if memory serves they wouldn't have been making payroll or paying suppliers in 6 weeks).

    By the way, shareholders are unsecured creditors. They get nothing in a bankruptcy. Just ask all those Pan Am stockholders back in the 80s. You can argue that the bondholders got the shaft and you'd be correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fastbal1 View Post
    At the risk of going way off topic lets just say it had to be done. They probably will never learn what the previous empire was doing. If they did, if they really taught the truth of what their previous empire was about, they'd be thankful America ended the war when we did.

    Besides, Japan is one of the world leaders in pretty much everything today. I'd say they could thank you know who for that but that might get a little touchy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    The way they're heading they might need to stave off an investor takeover if market share keeps taking a nose dive. The April sales numbers were damn rough and how long can GM survive with their cash cows shedding double digits MoM??
    But isnt everyone hurting saleswise? I saw the last report...there was a lot of red for damn near everybody. GM is just trying to go about cost reduction the best way they know how...cutting labor.

    Give them credit for learning their lesson from 10 years ago...the UAW will suck them dry and not lose a night of sleep. GM is now playing the same game by hurting the UAW by shifting production. Eventually the UAW will cave because the alternative is either no work at all or relying on shady startups for work.
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    Re: Chevy Blazer Review: "How could something so cheap-feeling cost so much?"

    And again.. can we get back on topic.. I posted pics and how that interior was cheap? I get some penny pinching in certain areas.. but should a Chevy.. even one with an OPTIONED out price of $50K.. be as luxury appointed as a Cadillac? I would also like to hear what Neil thinks of the interior of the other interior in this price point and size from any name plate.

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