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    C7 vs. C8: Pro Racer Randy Pobst Drives Both on the Track!

    C7 vs. C8 Corvette on the Track! Pro Racer Randy Pobst Drives Both
    We test the 2020 Chevrolet Corvette with Chevy’s engineering team
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    Dec 2, 2019



    The Corvette has long been the bad boy of the racetrack, the Bart Simpson of supercars. Rude, loud, cheap, unpredictable, and hard to handle; but fast and fun in its own brash way. Now, the Corvette has finally grown up. The C8 Corvette is more sophisticated, capable, and mature. And recently, we were honored with an exclusive 2020 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 track test at VIRginia International Raceway, driving the 911-beater in street and track alignment settings.

    To our pleasant surprise, Chevy also supplied a 2019 C7 Grand Sport, which I consider to be the best-handling of all the C7 variations. At this test, Chevy required that a passenger ride along, and that victim was in fact Corvette lead development engineer Mike Petrucci.

    My first laps in the new mid-engine C8 Corvette were on the street alignment. Thrilled, we strap into the upgraded interior, and though the squircle steering wheel is a bit odd, I almost never noticed it. I just let Mike push the buttons for his recommended choice of the many possible modes, asking only that he turn off all autonomy (stability controls); I want to do the driving, thank you. Basically what this meant was Race mode.

    Next, we switched to the track alignment. Chevy showed us the specs, and it simply comes down to much more negative camber, front and rear. The engineers are proud of the increased range of adjustment. And eight degrees of caster, street or track, which is a lot. The advantages of caster are that it creates camber gain when the wheels are turned, which is especially good for tight turns, and a strong self-centering force, for stability and good on-center feel.
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    Re: C7 vs. C8 Corvette on the Track! Pro Racer Randy Pobst Drives Both[

    Short but sweet article. Looks like the mid-engine Corvette is going to be a far better car than it's predecessor. Awesome!
    It sounded pretty good until I actually said it.

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    Re: C7 vs. C8 Corvette on the Track! Pro Racer Randy Pobst Drives Both[

    When someone starts talking about the C7 Corvette as being "the Bart Simpson of supercars. Rude, loud, cheap, unpredictable, and hard to handle", it is obvious he's not a Corvette lover. The C7 is not the car he describes it. To the contrary. The guy is an idiot! At least, he sounds positive about the C8.

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    Re: C7 vs. C8 Corvette on the Track! Pro Racer Randy Pobst Drives Both[

    It's the usual media pattern with many GM cars. Good, sometimes great reviews when they come out. The C7 received these. Then a few years later they treat the same car as though it is and always was garbage. You see this all the time with every new Cadillac, which is treated as though it's the first good Cadillac since 1955. All the good reviews of prior models are forgotten.

    No doubt the C8 is going to be an amazing car. But to my eyes, not that the C8 isn't great looking, but the C7 is better looking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al465 View Post
    When someone starts talking about the C7 Corvette as being "the Bart Simpson of supercars. Rude, loud, cheap, unpredictable, and hard to handle", it is obvious he's not a Corvette lover.
    Have you driven a C2 - C7 Corvette at a track event (e.g., HPDE) at or near the car's limits? Randy Pobst isn't exaggerating. It takes a very skilled driver to do that with stability control turned off completely. Corvettes are not known to be docile at 10/10ths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    Have you driven a C2 - C7 Corvette at a track event (e.g., HPDE) at or near the car's limits? Randy Pobst isn't exaggerating. It takes a very skilled driver to do that with stability control turned off completely. Corvettes are not known to be docile at 10/10ths.

    I haven't driven a C7 at a track event. But I don't think I need to have done that to judge the "rude, loud, and cheap" portion of his comments. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on "unpredictable" and I've heard that before, but I think he's wrong about the first three adjectives.

    Shouldn't track events only have very skilled drivers as participants?
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    Re: C7 vs. C8 Corvette on the Track! Pro Racer Randy Pobst Drives Both[

    Quote Originally Posted by ksr View Post
    I haven't driven a C7 at a track event. But I don't think I need to have done that to judge the "rude, loud, and cheap" portion of his comments. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on "unpredictable" and I've heard that before, but I think he's wrong about the first three adjectives.

    Shouldn't track events only have very skilled drivers as participants?
    It's built by 2 fat blokes from kentucky, "rude, loud, and cheap" shouldn't be a leap for anyone except kentuckians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksr View Post
    Shouldn't track events only have very skilled drivers as participants?
    The BMW CCA HPDE sessions I've done at Memphis International Raceway and Summit Point Raceway had lots of programs for novice drivers like me.

    But of course, the 'E' in HPDE stands for education. When it comes to timed, competitive, and/or racing track events, participants should be very skilled and have practiced extensively. Maybe not to Randy Pobst levels, but beyond "novice".

    btw, I did experience a Corvette C7 Z51 at Summit Point as a passenger. The driver just happened to be one of my HPDE instructors.
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    Um...isn't one of the main draws of the Corvette is how its substantially cheaper than cars that it is more capable than? That nails the Cheap adjective.

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    The rude remark...well that's an opinion...but it is definitely loud and cheap it sure as hell isn't quiet and expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    Um...isn't one of the main draws of the Corvette is how its substantially cheaper than cars that it is more capable than? That nails the Cheap adjective.

    6.2 OHV V8 piped through an active exhaust. loud....check.

    The rude remark...well that's an opinion...but it is definitely loud and cheap it sure as hell isn't quiet and expensive.
    I don't think the MT writer meant cheap and loud as literally as you've defined them. They were insults. "Cheap" was more his opinion of the quality of material and build, not a price comparison. Same thing with "loud," as all cars like this are loud when you get down to it. It's what sort of sound you're getting from the car. Loud can be agricultural loud, or sportscar loud. "Loud" in the writer's context was not a compliment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyDiablo View Post
    It's built by 2 fat blokes from kentucky, "rude, loud, and cheap" shouldn't be a leap for anyone except kentuckians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al465 View Post
    When someone starts talking about the C7 Corvette as being "the Bart Simpson of supercars. Rude, loud, cheap, unpredictable, and hard to handle", it is obvious he's not a Corvette lover. The C7 is not the car he describes it. To the contrary. The guy is an idiot! At least, he sounds positive about the C8.
    Lol, Randy Pobst is not an idiot, he's a legitimate talented racing driver. Rude may be a poor choice, but the other adjectives are pretty spot on. Keep in mind he's also a driver moonlighting as a columnist here so perhaps not the best choice of words for a rushed article. But his point about the Corvette generally being more brash and less refined then it's Porsche and Ferrari competition isn't far off the mark.

    But he's always been complimentary of the Vettes for the most part, as well as the 5/6G Camaro's. He just bought a 2.0T 1LE Camaro for his personal use. Also he at one point deemed the SS his favorite sports sedan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NHRATA01 View Post
    Lol, Randy Pobst is not an idiot, he's a legitimate talented racing driver.
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    Randy Pobst is one of the foremost drivers, and knowledgeable car critics in NA. His descriptions of what a car does under track use are dead on. (From a former track rat on asphalt and dirt)

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