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    Re: Arlington To The Rescue! GM Plant Goes Full Tilt On New SUV Production

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    Most of the time, one generation to the other is a form of evolution; not ground-up new models, that is the point. The GMT900 and K2XX use many of the same parts, or slightly different version of the same part(s).




    Supply and Demand, if sales slow, they'll drop the price and/or reduce volume.

    I can't stomach the money these things cost, but lets not pretend the K2XX's were inexpensive............

    Luckily my wife doesn't want to drive anything that big, but with me, I can't get past the "destruction of wealth" Doesn't matter if it is an $800/month lease or 10's of thousands of depreciation, it happens pretty fast.

    There are a lot of people that justify the expense, for all intents and purposes, they are "broke" they make a lot of money, but spent almost every dime.

    I have a neighbor, they do well, 2 small kids, and Escalade and a XT6, easily $1,000/month payment & insurance, (each) that is $25K after-tax dollars a year.

    At 30% tax rate (federal & state) that is ~$36K/year, gross.
    The Escalade can hit $1200 payment before insurance easily..., the XT6, not so much, that will probably be $800.00 give or take all in before Gasoline


    For me, I buy the car I can get away with for the 'Position' / 'office' I hold. With my current position.. doesn't matter really.. A Fusion works fine... its relatively nice inside... and quiet drive to and from the house...
    Kids trash cars, no need to get them something too nice, while wife can sit comfortably, they will bring sand, mud, balls, candy, yogurt, and everything you told them to not bring..
    There is only one rule for the family bus. Dealer maintained, spend the coin on everything, including trim pieces inside, if you do not, it will be trash and quick....
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    Re: Arlington To The Rescue! GM Plant Goes Full Tilt On New SUV Production

    I was never the type to buy these kind of vehicles, but, when the time came and the family grew (as did their activities), I still was really against these behemoths.

    But, when we started looking at minivans, the price differential wasn't that big. Even crossovers, they are within a few thousand dollars and I believe that you get more for your money with Suburban/Tahoe. Even vans, when you put in all the stuff you need to make it work, the price is not too far off and the fact that vans can't fit into my garage is another problem.

    The big thing, though, is to basically get the LS with no options. What you get standard with these things is incredible.
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    Re: Arlington To The Rescue! GM Plant Goes Full Tilt On New SUV Production

    Quote Originally Posted by GMOwner View Post
    The big thing, though, is to basically get the LS with no options. What you get standard with these things is incredible.
    Tahoe and Suburban, especially in lower trims, also benefit from high resale value. These models have strong demand in the used car market.
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    Re: Arlington To The Rescue! GM Plant Goes Full Tilt On New SUV Production

    Quote Originally Posted by GMOwner View Post
    I was never the type to buy these kind of vehicles, but, when the time came and the family grew (as did their activities), I still was really against these behemoths.

    But, when we started looking at minivans, the price differential wasn't that big. Even crossovers, they are within a few thousand dollars and I believe that you get more for your money with Suburban/Tahoe. Even vans, when you put in all the stuff you need to make it work, the price is not too far off and the fact that vans can't fit into my garage is another problem.

    The big thing, though, is to basically get the LS with no options. What you get standard with these things is incredible.
    A Chrysler Pacifica Red S Edition is $49,000 and it's absolutely loaded with everything.

    A Pacifica Touring starts at $34,405.

    I dont get how a van wont fit in the garage but a Tahoe is going to. Both the 2020 Pacifica and 2020 Tahoe are exactly the same length. 204". The Tahoe is 4" taller and 1" wider. 2021 Tahoe is 210" long and 76" tall.

    Sienna is 200" long.

    Odyseey is 203" long.

    Sedona is 201" long.
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    Re: Arlington To The Rescue! GM Plant Goes Full Tilt On New SUV Production

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    My point wasn't really that they shouldn't be upgraded its just that this world economy isn't in place to support them...more really pointing out GMs bad luck than criticizing them being here. I hope they do well, they're the product of A+ effort.
    GM has impeccable timing with stuff like that it seems. Can you imagine if these units came out when the trucks did?
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    Re: Arlington To The Rescue! GM Plant Goes Full Tilt On New SUV Production

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    A Chrysler Pacifica Red S Edition is $49,000 and it's absolutely loaded with everything.

    A Pacifica Touring starts at $34,405.
    Yes, this will be an option next go around to replace the Tahoe. At the time of Tahoe purchase, Pacifica prices were sky high while Tahoe prices were really low.

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    I dont get how a van wont fit in the garage but a Tahoe is going to.
    Go ahead and try it. I did and it didn't work with my garage. Could it be the Tahoe/Suburbans are now only 1500's while the vans are 2500 and up? I don't know, but, they are taller.
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    Re: Arlington To The Rescue! GM Plant Goes Full Tilt On New SUV Production

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    The Escalade can hit $1200 payment before insurance easily..., the XT6, not so much, that will probably be $800.00 give or take all in before Gasoline
    OK, so..................... $1,200 + $800 = $2,000 / 2 = ~$1,000 month; just like I said?


    Quote Originally Posted by GMOwner View Post
    The big thing, though, is to basically get the LS with no options. What you get standard with these things is incredible.
    4WD Tahoe LS has an MSRP of $52,000 - It may hold it's value, but it's got a long-way to fall.............

    (And don't confuse what a Dealer is selling a 5 year old used model at full-retail with what you can sell one for)


    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    Tahoe and Suburban, especially in lower trims, also benefit from high resale value. These models have strong demand in the used car market.
    Because new are so expensive!
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    Re: Arlington To The Rescue! GM Plant Goes Full Tilt On New SUV Production

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    OK, so..................... $1,200 + $800 = $2,000 / 2 = ~$1,000 month; just like I said?




    4WD Tahoe LS has an MSRP of $52,000 - It may hold it's value, but it's got a long-way to fall.............

    (And don't confuse what a Dealer is selling a 5 year old used model at full-retail with what you can sell one for)




    Because new are so expensive!
    Dude relax, I was just expanding on what you were saying... you can clap for yourself now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    4WD Tahoe LS has an MSRP of $52,000 - It may hold it's value, but it's got a long-way to fall.............
    Yeah, that's MSRP--who buys MSRP???? I got mine for a lot less...this is GM you know...if fell quite a bit before I bought it.
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    Re: Arlington To The Rescue! GM Plant Goes Full Tilt On New SUV Production

    Quote Originally Posted by bballr4567 View Post
    GM has impeccable timing with stuff like that it seems. Can you imagine if these units came out when the trucks did?
    I know right...also, can you imagine how well the trucks would've done if GM put the same amount of effort into them as they did on the SUVs? I don't want to derail the thread into a T1 pickup trashing session but damn, if the Trucks would've brought it like the SUVs...Ram would've been in trouble.
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    Re: Arlington To The Rescue! GM Plant Goes Full Tilt On New SUV Production

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Dude relax, I was just expanding on what you were saying... you can clap for yourself now.
    I'm relaxed, you?


    Quote Originally Posted by GMOwner View Post
    Yeah, that's MSRP--who buys MSRP???? I got mine for a lot less...this is GM you know...if fell quite a bit before I bought it.
    Right, but everything is discounted, you have to use something as a base-line.


    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    I know right...also, can you imagine how well the trucks would've done if GM put the same amount of effort into them as they did on the SUVs? I don't want to derail the thread into a T1 pickup trashing session but damn, if the Trucks would've brought it like the SUVs...Ram would've been in trouble.
    Both Ford and GM lost sales to Ram, GM had a new model Ford didn't............

    GM pushed people to both Ram and Ford.

    Ram pulled people from Ford and GM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    I'm relaxed, you?




    Right, but everything is discounted, you have to use something as a base-line.




    Both Ford and GM lost sales to Ram, GM had a new model Ford didn't............

    GM pushed people to both Ram and Ford.

    Ram pulled people from Ford and GM.
    There is no data to support 'GM lost sales'. RAM is still selling the Classic

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    There is no data to support 'GM lost sales'. RAM is still selling the Classic
    Here's a statement from CNBC supporting Ed753's assertion that "Ram pulled people from Ford and GM":

    Quote Originally Posted by CNBC
    "After the Italian automaker Fiat merged with Chrysler in 2009, management decided to spin Ram out of Dodge, allowing the former to focus on trucks and Dodge to focus on performance cars and a few other models with solid customer bases.

    The move seemed dubious at a time as cross-town rival General Motors ditched some of its own brands. But Ram has roughly tripled sales over the last decade and appears to be taking market share away from rivals."
    I'm sure Ed753 has access to proprietary data that can confirm this.
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    Re: Arlington To The Rescue! GM Plant Goes Full Tilt On New SUV Production

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    Do you really think the economy and the American public are in a place right now where they can plop down 60-70k on a SUV in large enough numbers to support the rest of the GMs endeavors? They're going all in on large SUVs in the middle of a pandemic that has tanked the buying market. Not so much the wrong time if things were normal but the wrong time in the sense of where the world is. Just plain old bad luck on GMs part IMO.
    Not disagreeing w you but this is the second review where it’s mentioned the strong demand. Impressive. Though it doesn’t mean demand will remain strong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    There is no data to support 'GM lost sales'. RAM is still selling the Classic
    Here's a statement from CNBC supporting Ed753's assertion that "Ram pulled people from Ford and GM":

    Quote Originally Posted by CNBC
    "After the Italian automaker Fiat merged with Chrysler in 2009, management decided to spin Ram out of Dodge, allowing the former to focus on trucks and Dodge to focus on performance cars and a few other models with solid customer bases.

    The move seemed dubious at a time as cross-town rival General Motors ditched some of its own brands. But Ram has roughly tripled sales over the last decade and appears to be taking market share away from rivals."
    I'm sure Ed753 has access to proprietary data that can confirm this.
    When RAM grew sales faster than GM and Ford, it grew market share but that also takes market share
    from them. That can be done without taking a sale from GM or Ford, so now I'm curious to see what
    actually happened and I'm sure that Ed will be only too please to enlighten us.....
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