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    Re: GMI Drives: Acadia vs Kluger vs Pathfinder - V6 Battleships

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    Thousands of Toyota customers with 20 plus year old Landcruisers really cant be wrong as far as longevity and things still working

    Customers don't want bargain basement interior quality they want it to look nice and be functional

    Looking at the interior of Equinox and Acadia in particular they are functional but they look very very plain
    Yes but that is in Australia. With respect, Australians are a boring lot so Holden only bothers with black interiors (based on my prior searches of the Holden website, I'm not sure if the situation has changed). Having sat in a 2020 GMC Acadia last week (appointed in high quality cream leather- I think this was the option: https://www.gmc.com/suvs/acadia/denali/interior), I was surprised at how nice it was. I certainly didn't think it was plain. And no, I'm not American and yes I was compared it to a Japan made SUV (4Runner) which costs about as much as Acadia (if my memory serves). Of course I didn't find the interior plastics to be demonstrably inferior to the competition either (compared to some other GM offerings) so maybe I've become "domesticated".

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    Re: GMI Drives: Acadia vs Kluger vs Pathfinder - V6 Battleships

    Quote Originally Posted by CadillacSA View Post
    Yes but that is in Australia. With respect, Australians are a boring lot so Holden only bothers with black interiors (based on my prior searches of the Holden website, I'm not sure if the situation has changed). Having sat in a 2020 GMC Acadia last week (appointed in high quality cream leather- I think this was the option: https://www.gmc.com/suvs/acadia/denali/interior), I was surprised at how nice it was. I certainly didn't think it was plain. And no, I'm not American and yes I was compared it to a Japan made SUV (4Runner) which costs about as much as Acadia (if my memory serves). Of course I didn't find the interior plastics to be demonstrably inferior to the competition either (compared to some other GM offerings) so maybe I've become "domesticated".
    Maybe it gets better materials in the U.S?

    GM has a habit of using materials that look cheap and being tight arses when it comes to RHD vehicles

    Offering boring colours is a cost cutting measure not a market driven exercise
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    Quote Originally Posted by HockEYE View Post
    And yet another so-called “auto journalist" giving a review and carelessly tossing “ADAS (Advanced Driver Assist Systems)” into the same nondescript basket.

    As the general public (very) S L O W L Y becomes aware, this so-called ADAS stuff really has 2 parts, some technology to assist in seeing and being warned of potential safety issues, and some more advanced tech that attempts to automate some of the actual driving of the vehicle (Steering, Acceleration, and Braking), (Adaptive Cruise with Lane Centering).

    For the segment of drivers like myself, that would love to have the technology of Tesla’s Autopilot, (but don't want to deal with the inconvenient of EV’s), we’d like these reviewers to actually test these “Level 2 Automated Driving Systems” and report in detail which is the best.

    It is virtually impossible to tell (in this review) which of these 3 vehicles does “Level 2” the best? Currently I’m in the market for a new SUV and “Level 2” performance will be a large decision factor for me. My guess is the Nissan (ProPilot) is closest to Tesla’s, the Toyota next, and as far as I can tell, no GM vehicles other than Cadillac (at great extra cost), have any Level 2 capability.

    But (Luckily for GM), one would never know this from this review!
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    Level 2 ADAS systems are not advanced enough to warrant grading between the three shown here. They're all OK but I wouldn't bet my life on any of them. If one was a stand out I would have mentioned it.

    If you can't afford A Tesla (which I wouldn't bet my life on either) buy a Volvo. They have superior pilot assist capability and the best lane centering performance. Go on youtube and search "two crashes high " and "Loflyt" if you want to see it in action.

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    You do realize the writer of this is not a professional right? I think he does an awesome job and appreciate these reviews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CadillacSA View Post

    Yes but that is in Australia. With respect, Australians are a boring lot so Holden only bothers with black interiors (based on my prior searches of the Holden website, I'm not sure if the situation has changed). Having sat in a 2020 GMC Acadia last week (appointed in high quality cream leather- I think this was the option: https://www.gmc.com/suvs/acadia/denali/interior), I was surprised at how nice it was. I certainly didn't think it was plain. And no, I'm not American and yes I was compared it to a Japan made SUV (4Runner) which costs about as much as Acadia (if my memory serves). Of course I didn't find the interior plastics to be demonstrably inferior to the competition either (compared to some other GM offerings) so maybe I've become "domesticated".
    The stand out is probably the plastic surround for the touch screen. It is the same soft flimsy material that was on the (old) Malibu. The vents felt like they'd fall out of the roof and we only have the grey plastic, same as the Equinox which fell very down rate. It may just be the colour... (it's not). Even the luggage screen felt cheap, and was already stretched. Compared to the luggage screen in my Commodore wagon, you could feel the difference in quality just holding it, let alone extending and engaging it. Again, it may be just what we are used to, but I can only comment from the point of reference that we have.
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    Re: GMI Drives: Acadia vs Kluger vs Pathfinder - V6 Battleships

    Thanks mikmak,

    My 2013 Acadia Denali has been the perfect vehicle for our move from the Chicago burbs to Florida. In addition, my wife usually volunteers me to drive friends, relatives and whoever she can find, to and from the Orlando area airports. The Acadia is up to 73,000 miles and has been almost trouble free. Buying the extended warranty was the right thing to do for the few times something needed fixing after the GM warranty.

    Now, I'm ready for the 2020 model. They are bringing back my favorite feature, the HUD. In my 2013, I never look down at the speedo.
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    I'm glad to hear you are enjoying yours. I just really wanted this new one to hit the mark. It's possibly a little unfair that I keep comparing Acadia against the ZB Commodore /Regal, but for me if the former has the same material quality and manners of the latter, it would be much better received in this market.
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    Re: GMI Drives: Acadia vs Kluger vs Pathfinder - V6 Battleships

    Quote Originally Posted by NHRATA01 View Post
    The Lambdas are not what you want to use as an example when trying to make an argument of durability in GM's favor.
    How about the Omega Moons?

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    Re: GMI Drives: Acadia vs Kluger vs Pathfinder - V6 Battleships

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Come after 5 years, whose interior will hold out better after family use, and whose technology features will still work.

    Interior packaging is what matters most in an SUV, not the fake leather.
    not to be a "pain" BUT WHAT GM SUVS are you looking at ???

    GMT800 2001 - 2006 paint peeling off off dash pad
    GMT900 2006 - 2014 dash cracking / falling apart around the PASS airbag the paint on the controls rubbing off leaving nothing but white smudge to denote what the buttons do
    K2 series 2015 - now vibration and squeak that are not repairable by the dealer

    GM might "know SUVS" BUT the interiors are NOT a league of their own or even up with some of the competition

    from the review I would say the NISSAN is the "best family bus" with the acadia trying to be a sedan while being a bus

    and I would say the ADAS as long as it is included and works as well as the rest it is a "win"

    PS the Toyota is the KLUGER in Japan and as far as I know every market outside the USA/Canada

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    Re: GMI Drives: Acadia vs Kluger vs Pathfinder - V6 Battleships

    Quote Originally Posted by richmond2000 View Post
    not to be a "pain" BUT WHAT GM SUVS are you looking at ???

    GMT800 2001 - 2006 paint peeling off off dash pad
    GMT900 2006 - 2014 dash cracking / falling apart around the PASS airbag the paint on the controls rubbing off leaving nothing but white smudge to denote what the buttons do
    K2 series 2015 - now vibration and squeak that are not repairable by the dealer

    GM might "know SUVS" BUT the interiors are NOT a league of their own or even up with some of the competition

    from the review I would say the NISSAN is the "best family bus" with the acadia trying to be a sedan while being a bus

    and I would say the ADAS as long as it is included and works as well as the rest it is a "win"

    PS the Toyota is the KLUGER in Japan and as far as I know every market outside the USA/Canada
    I bet you a vehicle will hold up as well as an owner will take care of it. Toyotas have rust issues. My take on a vehicle is how well it holds up after Warranty. After the warranty is over, its the owners job to maintain it. Usually warranties will last well past payoff date depending on how one financed the vehicle.

    I see lots of less than year old Toyotas with fading paint here in So Cal, heck I used to own one and it faded.. its also a factor of where the vehicle is mostly parked.

    Bottom line, take good care of your cars, My Chevrolets have always been dealer serviced, I will not hesitate to replace an interior piece trim that a kid broke or repaint the vehicle at Chevrolet when wife scratches it.

    Reasonable use of machines means they will require maintenance.



    My Corolla was dealer maintained, a 2002, conked out in 2006 with an engine that had built in slug in the motor. Why I have no idea. It was my sixth Toyota, why that motor went bad, who knows.. But the interior trim pieces of that car were horrible, they would peal like crazy, had the door panels replaced twice in that car and the roof cloth pealing off..

    Anyways..

    If Toyota is your religion, so be it, I have since moved on.

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    Re: GMI Drives: Acadia vs Kluger vs Pathfinder - V6 Battleships

    I have updated the review. Downandout pointed out that I didn't mention the economy of the Acadia which, on the highway, is pretty impressive. For reference, the Nissan sits in between Kluger and Acadia when it comes to economy.

    Additionally, I clarified my view on the ADAS Level 2 systems for HockEYED.

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    Re: GMI Drives: Acadia vs Kluger vs Pathfinder - V6 Battleships

    I have a legit question

    How much of an issue was the LHD biased seating arrangement in the Acadia?

    Sliding the bigger part of the seat to get into the 3rd row
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    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    I have a legit question

    How much of an issue was the LHD biased seating arrangement in the Acadia?

    Sliding the bigger part of the seat to get into the 3rd row
    No worse than it was in the Pathfinder....
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    Re: GMI Drives: Acadia vs Kluger vs Pathfinder - V6 Battleships

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    I bet you a vehicle will hold up as well as an owner will take care of it. Toyotas have rust issues. My take on a vehicle is how well it holds up after Warranty. After the warranty is over, its the owners job to maintain it. Usually warranties will last well past payoff date depending on how one financed the vehicle.

    I see lots of less than year old Toyotas with fading paint here in So Cal, heck I used to own one and it faded.. its also a factor of where the vehicle is mostly parked.

    Bottom line, take good care of your cars, My Chevrolets have always been dealer serviced, I will not hesitate to replace an interior piece trim that a kid broke or repaint the vehicle at Chevrolet when wife scratches it.

    Reasonable use of machines means they will require maintenance.



    My Corolla was dealer maintained, a 2002, conked out in 2006 with an engine that had built in slug in the motor. Why I have no idea. It was my sixth Toyota, why that motor went bad, who knows.. But the interior trim pieces of that car were horrible, they would peal like crazy, had the door panels replaced twice in that car and the roof cloth pealing off..

    Anyways..

    If Toyota is your religion, so be it, I have since moved on.
    I agree for the MOST part a GM RWD SUV will be on the road when the cockroaches inherit the earth

    up here in the "true north" NISSANS have a 10 year tops shelf life toyotas 15/20 MAX ford/GM sedans are like cockroaches and survive even if rust has taken 1/2 the body
    if you see a car from the 90's it is ALMOST 100% FORD OR GM - RESTORED / a TEXAN

    I will give you that the first gen tundra / sequia HAD WORSE interiors for aging then almost anything I have seen / the GMT 900s are a close second

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    Re: GMI Drives: Acadia vs Kluger vs Pathfinder - V6 Battleships

    Quote Originally Posted by VS Ute 5Litre View Post
    Thousands of Toyota customers with 20 plus year old Landcruisers really cant be wrong as far as longevity and things still working

    Customers don't want bargain basement interior quality they want it to look nice and be functional

    Looking at the interior of Equinox and Acadia in particular they are functional but they look very very plain
    I've been in 20-year old LandCruisers and you are right. They are built like castles. There's a reason they quickly displaced every other off-roader in the third world.

    I'd buy a LandCruiser pickup over any pickup. They last forever, they are capable off-roaders not posers, and just look at how good they look.


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