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    Re: GMI Bolt First Drive

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    Re: GMI Bolt First Drive

    Great review. Good job Micheal. I'm impressed by the car and the review. I didn't expect it to be anything close to as good of a driver's car as it seems to be.

    But this
    Like every other Chevy on sale today, the Bolt includes Android Auto, Apple CarPlay and 4G LTE Wi-Fi capability as standard kit.
    This also isn't true! Android Auto and Car Play are not offered on SS, Traverse, or Silverado iirc.

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    Re: GMI Bolt First Drive

    Quote Originally Posted by orville View Post
    Any word from GM about oil usage when AFM kicks in?
    I read your article twice and didn't see a single mention.

    The Bolt seems like a great car, but I worry about the CVT transmission grenading or BAS system returning subpar fuel economy.
    You do know that the Bolt is an electric car, don't you?

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    Re: GMI Bolt First Drive

    I wish this was a step up in size from the Volt, but it's really not. GM keeps telling us how roomy the cabin is. Comparing the cu ft of passenger volume to a Model S is disingenuous. Sit in both and there is no comparison in which car feels roomier and more comfortable. Which car lets you spread out better, and which one would be OK for 5 passengers travelling an hour.

    I was at our auto show last week and got myself comfortable in the Bolt's driver's seat, then sat behind myself (I'm 6'1"). The leg and knee room was just adequate. It was barely better than the gen 2 Volt, and certainly not as roomy as a Malibu. Couple that fact with the matter that practical cargo capacity with rear seats up is worse in the Bolt than the Volt. The numbers would tell you otherwise, but one look and it's clear. Slightly better for passengers + slightly worse for cargo = the Volt and Bolt are roughly the same size inside, speaking on average.

    I don't think it's an engineering problem. For a car that measures only 164" in length, GM did an AMAZING job. But that external size was a critical mistake if they wanted to sell a lot of Bolts.
    16" shorter than Volt.
    20" shorter than the current estimate for the Model 3.
    11" shorter than a Leaf! Just let that sink in.

    Imagine how much more practical and comfortable this car would have been if it was 6-8" longer. The proportions and style would have been improved as well.

    I'm left asking myself why GM chose to build a second Chevy EV that was fairly similar in size to the one they already sell.

    Was it because they felt EREV was holding them back from a marketing perspective, and they wanted 200 miles of range?

    Did they really think rebuilding the Volt as a taller CUV was the primary goal? Just a silhouette fix?

    Why not attack the meat of the volume CUV segment - the CR-V/Rav4/Equinox size?

    Or was the decision completely driven by accounting and the need to hit a certain price ($30,000 after tax credit) with 200+ miles of range, and this was as much car as they could afford to do with those parameters? Are the bean counters still running the house?

    It's a really tough decision for this GM loyalist. I intended on replacing my Volt with a Bolt, but now things are not very clear. Barra promised us many more EVs are coming. I wonder if a 200 mile Equinox for about $2000-3000 more than Bolt is in the works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by briandors View Post
    I wish this was a step up in size from the Volt, but it's really not...
    Yes, it looks like they went for a Trax/Encore size vehicle (the Bolt is a tad longer) rather than more of an Equinox size. Given that Trax/Encore have done very well for GM I guess it is understandable...but it does leave you out in the cold looking for a "step up" from the Volt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMe View Post
    You do know that the Bolt is an electric car, don't you?
    He does, he's trolling. I love it.
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    Re: GMI Bolt First Drive

    Trax is actually 3" longer than Bolt, with about 2 cu ft of additional cargo capacity with rear seats up. So Bolt is slightly smaller than Trax. If it split the difference between Trax and Equinox, I'd consider it water under the bridge.

    A wagon version of the Volt... that's interesting for sure. If they stretched the wheelbase to increase cabin legroom a few inches, that would be a nice package. Would have great cargo capacity.
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    Re: GMI Bolt First Drive

    Quote Originally Posted by briandors View Post
    I wish this was a step up in size from the Volt, but it's really not. GM keeps telling us how roomy the cabin is. Comparing the cu ft of passenger volume to a Model S is disingenuous. Sit in both and there is no comparison in which car feels roomier and more comfortable. Which car lets you spread out better, and which one would be OK for 5 passengers travelling an hour.

    I was at our auto show last week and got myself comfortable in the Bolt's driver's seat, then sat behind myself (I'm 6'1"). The leg and knee room was just adequate. It was barely better than the gen 2 Volt, and certainly not as roomy as a Malibu. Couple that fact with the matter that practical cargo capacity with rear seats up is worse in the Bolt than the Volt. The numbers would tell you otherwise, but one look and it's clear. Slightly better for passengers + slightly worse for cargo = the Volt and Bolt are roughly the same size inside, speaking on average.

    I don't think it's an engineering problem. For a car that measures only 164" in length, GM did an AMAZING job. But that external size was a critical mistake if they wanted to sell a lot of Bolts.
    16" shorter than Volt.
    20" shorter than the current estimate for the Model 3.
    11" shorter than a Leaf! Just let that sink in.

    Imagine how much more practical and comfortable this car would have been if it was 6-8" longer. The proportions and style would have been improved as well.

    I'm left asking myself why GM chose to build a second Chevy EV that was fairly similar in size to the one they already sell.

    Was it because they felt EREV was holding them back from a marketing perspective, and they wanted 200 miles of range?

    Did they really think rebuilding the Volt as a taller CUV was the primary goal? Just a silhouette fix?

    Why not attack the meat of the volume CUV segment - the CR-V/Rav4/Equinox size?

    Or was the decision completely driven by accounting and the need to hit a certain price ($30,000 after tax credit) with 200+ miles of range, and this was as much car as they could afford to do with those parameters? Are the bean counters still running the house?

    It's a really tough decision for this GM loyalist. I intended on replacing my Volt with a Bolt, but now things are not very clear. Barra promised us many more EVs are coming. I wonder if a 200 mile Equinox for about $2000-3000 more than Bolt is in the works.
    Because they were building to a price point IMO.
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    Re: GMI Bolt First Drive

    Quote Originally Posted by briandors View Post
    Trax is actually 3" longer than Bolt, with about 2 cu ft of additional cargo capacity with rear seats up. So Bolt is slightly smaller than Trax. If it split the difference between Trax and Equinox, I'd consider it water under the bridge.

    A wagon version of the Volt... that's interesting for sure. If they stretched the wheelbase to increase cabin legroom a few inches, that would be a nice package. Would have great cargo capacity.
    You're right the Trax is a bit bigger than the Bolt. I misread the numbers and stand corrected.

    As for the Volt wagon, I got thinking about it because I've seen a few of those Prius "wagons" around. With the current Volt selling well I could see a wagon as a natural extension of the line...
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    Re: GMI Bolt First Drive

    Quote Originally Posted by briandors View Post
    ... Barra promised us many more EVs are coming. I wonder if a 200 mile Equinox for about $2000-3000 more than Bolt is in the works.
    I'd be willing to bet there's a dozen or more variations using this powertrain with some having more battery capacity (i.e. greater range). Their people are all learning the technology plus they don't want to steel profits from other lines. Have patience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMe View Post
    You do know that the Bolt is an electric car, don't you?
    Humor him with some additional facts about those points you reference. Fuel capacity, octamperage requirement, recommended inert gas mixture in taars...that stuff. Popcorn eaters are big into that stuff.
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    Re: GMI Bolt First Drive

    Quote Originally Posted by AusCalais View Post
    Good write up.

    What were the seats like? I have read a couple of reviews that complain the car and its seats are too narrow.
    I found the seat to be pretty good, far better than the Trax; I had the opportunity to compare them side-by-side last summer.

    The question I have is, did the front cup-holders dig into your leg, that was a big bug-a-boo for me.




    Quote Originally Posted by orville View Post
    Any word from GM about oil usage when AFM kicks in?
    I read your article twice and didn't see a single mention.

    The Bolt seems like a great car, but I worry about the CVT transmission grenading or BAS system returning subpar fuel economy.
    Don't be too hard, at least they final got ride of that ridiculous gas-cap, tether & hook that doesn't work...........
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    Re: GMI Bolt First Drive

    Quote Originally Posted by orville View Post
    Any word from GM about oil usage when AFM kicks in?
    I read your article twice and didn't see a single mention.

    The Bolt seems like a great car, but I worry about the CVT transmission grenading or BAS system returning subpar fuel economy.

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    Re: GMI Bolt First Drive

    Excellent technical vehicle..spot on ...too bad it's soooooooooo unappealing compared to the tesla model 3.

    GM needs to move fast and design a vehicle off this platform for a few dollars more that's sexy looking...

    Since cuv s are the hot spot in the marketplace....for the love of god..give GMC and Cadillac a jaguar I pace like appearing vehicle off the bolt platform.

    Who cares if taller tires and wheels cut the range by 5 percent...who cares if real styling that looks like the jaguar I pace cuts efficiency by 5 percent..

    Give it two motors..one upfront and one out back...and make it awd...

    If tesla could do that for under five grand as stated by musk for the model 3 and five grand for the model S...I'm sure GM can do the same for 2 grand...or 2500..

    I believe the model 3 will crush the bolt when they finally release it come the fourth quarter..

    The tesla models are sexy and quick..they just happen to be electric...

    The bolt screams..I'm a dork electric vehicle ...

    Good styling like telsas model 3 doesn't cost extra...

    Who is going to buy this weird eco box bolt when they could have a sexy model 3.?

    GM needs to be first to market with a sexy looking cuv electric vehicle off this platform that does not scream dork..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBsZ06 View Post
    Excellent technical vehicle..spot on ...too bad it's soooooooooo unappealing compared to the tesla model 3.

    GM needs to move fast and design a vehicle off this platform for a few dollars more that's sexy looking...

    Since cuv s are the hot spot in the marketplace....for the love of god..give GMC and Cadillac a jaguar I pace like appearing vehicle off the bolt platform.

    Who cares if taller tires and wheels cut the range by 5 percent...who cares if real styling that looks like the jaguar I pace cuts efficiency by 5 percent..

    Give it two motors..one upfront and one out back...and make it awd...

    If tesla could do that for under five grand as stated by musk for the model 3 and five grand for the model S...I'm sure GM can do the same for 2 grand...or 2500..

    I believe the model 3 will crush the bolt when they finally release it come the fourth quarter..

    The tesla models are sexy and quick..they just happen to be electric...

    The bolt screams..I'm a dork electric vehicle ...

    Good styling like telsas model 3 doesn't cost extra...

    Who is going to buy this weird eco box bolt when they could have a sexy model 3.?

    GM needs to be first to market with a sexy looking cuv electric vehicle off this platform that does not scream dork..
    I am sorry, but there isn't even a prototype for Model 3 yet, you are projecting as to what you think it will be, we do not know what it actually will be.

    http://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-...tot-1792948565

    http://www.barrons.com/articles/tesl...rum-1489086570
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