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    Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards

    Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...eage-standards

    September 18, 2019
    By Ronn Blitzer

    In a move President Trump said will reduce car prices but will also anger environmental groups, the administration is revoking California's authority to set strict fuel economy standards.

    Trump announced the move Wednesday, saying the decision was made “in order to produce far less expensive cars for the consumer,” while making cars safer at the same time.

    “This will lead to more production because of this pricing and safety advantage, and also due to the fact that older, highly polluting cars, will be replaced by new, extremely environmentally friendly cars,” Trump tweeted Wednesday morning.


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    Re: Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards

    I'm all for the waiver being removed, emissions need to be national standards, not state specific. It does add to the cost of cars (but I don't think nearly as much as Trump infers) and complexity of development. I'd even one-up it and say there should be a world-wide standard vs. the nonsense of each country setting up their own regulations. It's an international industry and there should be one set of international laws.

    However, I do agree that it will be a disadvantage to US automakers if they rest on their laurels and let foreign makes surpass their capabilities in "green" mpg's and technologies. Big V8 pickup trucks sell in the USA, but nowhere else, Detroit needs to be competitive.

    And obviously this is a political & automotive topic - try not to get this thread locked!!!!!

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    Re: Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards

    I didn't know California ever HAD the authority to set mileage standards. Through CARB, they can set EMISSION standards. But I agree that CARB has outlived its usefulness, and now just continues to exist only to perpetuate the personal power of California bureaucrat's.

    In the end its probably a moot point, what with every automaker going all electrical on us anyway.

    And even if stricter emissions and/or mileage standards are the correct way to go, why do it piecemeal? One common set of rules (even if stricter) would be beneficial.
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    Re: Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards

    I’ve been hoping for some time that California secedes from the USA and is annexed by Mexico.
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    Re: Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards

    One standard one nation. They are almost Mexico now, just too wealthy and too much creative industry and not enough criminal gangs running everything. Well, from the way it looks gangs seem to run much of the state now. Look at the Kate Steinley case, SF board of supervisors and courts clearly have no interest in citizens and much support for unlawful invaders and killers.

    But the standards should be "standards." That means NO EXCEPTIONS. Sorry, Gav! Now go cry in your bong.
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    Re: Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    However, I do agree that it will be a disadvantage to US automakers if they rest on their laurels and let foreign makes surpass their capabilities in "green" mpg's and technologies. Big V8 pickup trucks sell in the USA, but nowhere else, Detroit needs to be competitive.
    I think this is the key. Automakers will cater to stricter requirements in Europe and Asia anyway and will lead to:
    1. US automakers falling behind their foreign competition
    2. Automakers selling older, cheaper tech in the US while selling better products elsewhere (sort of like what happens with China's lax crash safety standards)

    Neither is desirable, and I think #2 is more likely.
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    Re: Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    I'd even one-up it and say there should be a world-wide standard vs. the nonsense of each country setting up their own regulations. It's an international industry and there should be one set of international laws.
    Whilst I agree with your point, it won't ever happen - political and cultural differences as well as opposing views on Climate Change make agreement between USA and EU extremely unlikely, although each would accept the other adopting it's standards!

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    Re: Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards

    Quote Originally Posted by emh View Post
    I think this is the key. Automakers will cater to stricter requirements in Europe and Asia anyway and will lead to:
    1. US automakers falling behind their foreign competition
    2. Automakers selling older, cheaper tech in the US while selling better products elsewhere (sort of like what happens with China's lax crash safety standards)

    Neither is desirable, and I think #2 is more likely.
    Europe is willfully and wantonly legislating petrol-fueled vehicles out of existence. Pointy-heads who've never run or done anything are in charge. That always turns out well.
    That will work great for trucks.
    US standards are already plenty strict for the claimed mission. Cars today are incredibly clean. Tightening it up another % or two is like spending that extra $50 million per fighter jet for that extra 5% of top speed. Somewhere reality needs to call a halt.

    Europe will discover reality soon enough, their grid will not support their grandiose delusions similar to Queen Mary Berra of zerozerozero fame.
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    Re: Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainDan View Post
    I didn't know California ever HAD the authority to set mileage standards. Through CARB, they can set EMISSION standards.
    You are correct CaptainDan. The EPCA "expressly preempts states from setting fuel economy standards for motor vehicles or taking any other action ‘related to’ the regulation of fuel economy."

    In 2009, the EPA under the Obama administration illegitimately granted California a waiver allowing that state to implement AB 1493, which is why this mess exists now and why the federal government under the Trump administration must take the actions described in the OP.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    I’ve been hoping for some time that California succeeds from the USA and is annexed by Mexico.
    I think you mean secede. Anyway, if that happens, California should be annexed not by Mexico, but by the People's Republic of China and made a "special administrative region" of that nation. California's regulatory regime associated with motor vehicles has increasingly become aligned to that of China.
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    Re: Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards

    I thought a lot of you guys would be all about state's rights...I guess it only applies when you agree with whatever issue is up for argument.
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    Re: Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    I thought a lot of you guys would be all about state's rights...I guess it only applies when you agree with whatever issue is up for argument.
    Mileage Regs + Safety Regs legally can only be regulated by the Federal Govt, see Interstate Commerce. California was exempted on emissions because of smog in the 70's/80's then given a pass by Obama, however legally shady it was. Regardless on how anybody feels about emissions/Mileage/Global Warming, this is a national issue and should be regulated as such. This isn't a State's Rights issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    You are correct CaptainDan. The EPCA "expressly preempts states from setting fuel economy standards for motor vehicles or taking any other action ‘related to’ the regulation of fuel economy."

    In 2009, the EPA under the Obama administration illegitimately granted California a waiver allowing that state to implement AB 1493, which is why this mess exists now and why the federal government under the Trump administration must take the actions described in the OP.
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    Re: Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    I thought a lot of you guys would be all about state's rights...I guess it only applies when you agree with whatever issue is up for argument.
    State's rights matter in some regards, national rights matter in other.

    And this isn't about picking and choosing to fit whatever the narrative is.
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    Re: Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards

    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    I’ve been hoping for some time that California succeeds [secedes] from the USA and is annexed by Mexico.
    Virginia (and a few other states) seceded from the US a while back, which caused a permanent split (the formation of the new state of West Virginia) a civil war, and both states being retained as US states.
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    Re: Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruperts Trooper View Post
    Whilst I agree with your point, it won't ever happen - political and cultural differences as well as opposing views on Climate Change make agreement between USA and EU extremely unlikely, although each would accept the other adopting it's standards!
    Sadly, I agree with you - a worldwide standard will never happen. There are a whole series of regulations that could be world-wide, the cost savings would be tremendous were we to adapt an approach like that! Even within the USA, there are so many industries that would benefit from one set of rules vs. 50 states worth of individual regulation - insurance industry for one!

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    Re: Trump administration revokes California’s authority to set auto mileage standards

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    US standards are already plenty strict for the claimed mission. Cars today are incredibly clean. Tightening it up another % or two is like spending that extra $50 million per fighter jet for that extra 5% of top speed. Somewhere reality needs to call a halt.
    We (the US) will get "good enough" while the rest of the world will get better.

    There's no evidence that cars are significantly more expensive today than they were decades ago (indexed to inflation). And car makers are making record profits. And we are in a golden age of performance. So the fuel efficiency gains have come without major added costs or performance losses. Multiple major automakers (including Ford, VW, and Honda) had already agreed to meet CARB requirements anyway. So they don't see an insurmountable hurdle.

    If you are expecting reduced mpgs to lead to cheaper cars, you have a much more benevolent view of automaker intentions than I do. And, given a choice between higher mpgs or lower mpgs at the same price and performance, I don't know anyone who will take the lower.
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