Study: Opioid Deaths Rise in Towns Where U.S. Auto Plants Have Closed

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    Study: Opioid Deaths Rise in Towns Where U.S. Auto Plants Have Closed

    "Research found 85 percent more deaths among those of prime working age in places where car factories closed compared with where they stayed open".

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/30/b...to-plants.html

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    Re: Study: Opioid Deaths Rise in Towns Where U.S. Auto Plants Have Closed

    I'll have to read this later, but based on the above quote it isn't surprising when you have a large population of laid off workers that will struggle to find new jobs in their chosen field, even if they relocate.

    But on the same token, no one forced them to take the opioids - this was a choice made by the users. But at the same time I do feel sympathetic to some. I read an article about the downfall of a Boeing engineer with a good job and future. I believe he had an injury from basketball and the doctor prescribed opioids to help with the pain which led him to his addiction. The addiction turned him down a path of ruin that led to his losing his job. He turned to bank robbery to fund his addiction and with his intelligence he was very successful at it but was eventually caught. The story hit home with me, this was just a normal guy like me with a decent job. Not a person looking to be high, just wanted to get past the pain of an injury. And now his life is ruined. Stories like this are where we have to say there is a problem with opioids and I actually applaud our government for going after the big pharmaceutical companies that have been actively pushing this stuff.

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    Re: Study: Opioid Deaths Rise in Towns Where U.S. Auto Plants Have Closed

    I am very sympathetic to the laid off workers. My wife is a retired RN. She saw many patients hooked on opioids that were prescribed by doctors for depression caused by a job loss, a divorce, PTSD, loss of a family member.... In the end it may provide temporary relief, mask the underlying cause but in many cases resulted in addiction as an additional problem. Doctors and insurance companies are a major part of the problem. Doctors prescribe opioids because insurance companies pay for them.

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    Re: Study: Opioid Deaths Rise in Towns Where U.S. Auto Plants Have Closed

    Eighty-five percent? That's a big WOW.

    OTOH, what percentage of auto workers already relax/stress-relieve with alcohol or other drugs? It's a bad road to go down, no problem was ever solved by drinking more alcohol, or taking more drugs.
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    Re: Study: Opioid Deaths Rise in Towns Where U.S. Auto Plants Have Closed

    Do Domestic public companies have an obligation to build in their home country? Yes. There should not be any reason to not try everything to keep US plants working and exporting to other markets.

    Congress is the worst offender here. These Unions give money to politicians and where are the policies that protect Union Jobs and open up export markets?

    The Unions have nothing to show for all that workers money spent on politicians.

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    Re: Study: Opioid Deaths Rise in Towns Where U.S. Auto Plants Have Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Do Domestic public companies have an obligation to build in their home country? Yes. There should not be any reason to not try everything to keep US plants working and exporting to other markets.

    Congress is the worst offender here. These Unions give money to politicians and where are the policies that protect Union Jobs and open up export markets?

    The Unions have nothing to show for all that workers money spent on politicians.
    I'll agree with most of that.

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    Re: Study: Opioid Deaths Rise in Towns Where U.S. Auto Plants Have Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Rumpole View Post
    I am very sympathetic to the laid off workers. My wife is a retired RN. She saw many patients hooked on opioids that were prescribed by doctors for depression caused by a job loss, a divorce, PTSD, loss of a family member.... In the end it may provide temporary relief, mask the underlying cause but in many cases resulted in addiction as an additional problem. Doctors and insurance companies are a major part of the problem. Doctors prescribe opioids because insurance companies pay for them.
    The major part of the problem is the people that abuse the drugs, then blame others and expect sympathy.

    Nothing burns me more than elected officials spending tax dollars to provide free Narcan to felony drug abusers, who are nothing more than parasites who expect others to work and pay for them.

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    The major part of the problem is the people that abuse the drugs, then blame others and expect sympathy.

    Nothing burns me more than elected officials spending tax dollars to provide free Narcan to felony drug abusers, who are nothing more than parasites who expect others to work and pay for them.
    Add to that the fact that there are those that actually need these things and all the while the gov't and a major chunk of the healthcare providers are trying to wean society off of them. So those needy ones end up suffering.

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    Re: Study: Opioid Deaths Rise in Towns Where U.S. Auto Plants Have Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Eighty-five percent? That's a big WOW.

    OTOH, what percentage of auto workers already relax/stress-relieve with alcohol or other drugs? It's a bad road to go down, no problem was ever solved by drinking more alcohol, or taking more drugs.
    Not condoning other drugs, but Opioids are a different animal; absolutely evil, considering the work, I'm sure lots of guys have ache-and-pains, most doctors try to fix you with a pill before they prescribe PT.


    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    The major part of the problem is the people that abuse the drugs, then blame others and expect sympathy.

    Nothing burns me more than elected officials spending tax dollars to provide free Narcan to felony drug abusers, who are nothing more than parasites who expect others to work and pay for them.
    Sounds like you are making a pretty big presumption here?.................

    About 15 years ago, there was a guy at work - his wife was having some back issues, next thing I knew he's trying to juggle 3 kids, because his wife is in a detox center, this was before the problems were widely known. Personally knowing her, she was the last person you'd expect to get hooked on drugs.

    Doctors we giving that crap out like candy; almost 50K people OD on Opioids in 2018, imagine how many are struggling with them?
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    Re: Study: Opioid Deaths Rise in Towns Where U.S. Auto Plants Have Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    Not condoning other drugs, but Opioids are a different animal; absolutely evil, considering the work, I'm sure lots of guys have ache-and-pains, most doctors try to fix you with a pill before they prescribe PT.




    Sounds like you are making a pretty big presumption here?.................

    About 15 years ago, there was a guy at work - his wife was having some back issues, next thing I knew he's trying to juggle 3 kids, because his wife is in a detox center, this was before the problems were widely known. Personally knowing her, she was the last person you'd expect to get hooked on drugs.

    Doctors we giving that crap out like candy; almost 50K people OD on Opioids in 2018, imagine how many are struggling with them?
    Doctors are not always the responsible professionals you take them to be. They are irrational business men.. you are just another profit opportunity.

    When I was rear ended this last summer, my back was in real bad shape, got some of those pain drugs, after 3 Days, I got off and dealt with the pain. It was severe, took two days off work.. to lay down.. but, I was afraid of getting hooked..
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    Re: Study: Opioid Deaths Rise in Towns Where U.S. Auto Plants Have Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    Add to that the fact that there are those that actually need these things and all the while the gov't and a major chunk of the healthcare providers are trying to wean society off of them. So those needy ones end up suffering.
    +1
    The whole movement to restrict prescriptions for opioid pain medications as a "overdose prevention" measure is a farce. At the state level in the U.S., there is no relationship between opioid prescribing rates by physicians and OD deaths:



    Sadly, many patients who are denied pain medications due to government restrictions and regulations turn to the illegal street market for drugs; that's what results in ODs or poisonings. Others commit suicide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    Add to that the fact that there are those that actually need these things and all the while the gov't and a major chunk of the healthcare providers are trying to wean society off of them. So those needy ones end up suffering.
    +1
    The whole movement to restrict prescriptions for opioid pain medications as a "overdose prevention" measure is a farce. At the state level in the U.S., there is no relationship between opioid prescribing rates by physicians and OD deaths:



    Sadly, many patients who are denied pain medications due to government restrictions and regulations turn to the illegal street market for drugs; that's what results in ODs or poisonings. Others commit suicide.
    restrictions are not the answer, * think better pain management approach by the medical professional is the answer.

    We cannot deny their is a problem. The question is, do we have an answer?

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    Re: Study: Opioid Deaths Rise in Towns Where U.S. Auto Plants Have Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    Not condoning other drugs, but Opioids are a different animal; absolutely evil, considering the work, I'm sure lots of guys have ache-and-pains, most doctors try to fix you with a pill before they prescribe PT.




    Sounds like you are making a pretty big presumption here?.................

    About 15 years ago, there was a guy at work - his wife was having some back issues, next thing I knew he's trying to juggle 3 kids, because his wife is in a detox center, this was before the problems were widely known. Personally knowing her, she was the last person you'd expect to get hooked on drugs.

    Doctors we giving that crap out like candy; almost 50K people OD on Opioids in 2018, imagine how many are struggling with them?
    PT as in...Physical Therapy... hiccup... lol. Not always a solution.

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    Re: Study: Opioid Deaths Rise in Towns Where U.S. Auto Plants Have Closed

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Doctors are not always the responsible professionals you take them to be. They are irrational business men.. you are just another profit opportunity.

    When I was rear ended this last summer, my back was in real bad shape, got some of those pain drugs, after 3 Days, I got off and dealt with the pain. It was severe, took two days off work.. to lay down.. but, I was afraid of getting hooked..
    That is why most every time you go to one they have to "find" something and "prescribe" so they get "paid" so to speak.

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