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    Speculation: A GM and Ford merger?

    GM Merger With Ford Looks More Likely
    Douglas A. McIntyre
    May 28, 2019
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    Fiat Chrysler Automobiles proposed a merger with Renault that would create the world's third-largest carmaker. The eroding economics of the industry make such deal more likely by the day. Deep trouble at Ford Motor and General Motors' need for more heft to compete with rivals Toyota and Volkswagen make a marriage between the two largest car companies increasingly probable.

    Fiat Chrysler argues that a tie-up with Renault will lead to $5.5 billion in savings. As car sales have flattened in the United States and started to drop in China, the two largest markets in the world offer less hope for revenue improvement. Neither company has much of a sales footprint in China. Renault has none at all. Both have a strong market share in Europe, but it is one of the most competitive markets in the world. At the low end of the market, VW is the dominant force. At the high end, it is BMW and Mercedes.

    While GM and Ford both have a strong market share in the United States, Ford has stumbled. It has withdrawn most of its sedans in the American market because sales have shifted from cars to sport utility vehicles, crossovers and pickups. Ford's only bright spot in the United States is its F-Series full-sized pickup, which is the top-selling vehicle in the nation. Ford's sales in China are abysmal and falling. GM's are strong, but it is up against other car companies, both local and global, that need the largest car market to be successful.

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    Re: GM and Ford merger?

    Deep trouble at Ford Motor Co. (NYSE: F) and General Motors Co.'s (NYSE: GM) need for more heft to compete with rivals Toyota and Volkswagen make a marriage between the two largest car companies increasingly probable.
    I stopped reading after this sentence, neither of those statements about Ford and GM are true and neither is a merger. It smacks of poor research and at best skimming articles that support the author's assertions especially when Ford has an alliance with VW that will see it building Rangers and Transits for VW. That's a whole new long term guaranteed ncome stream for global business.

    I find it comical that a long suggested Merger for FCA is now causing discussion of similar for Ford and GM, their own respective situations are completely different to FCA in that Ford and GM are capable of doing much more to help themselves without a merger.

    The reality is that both GM and Ford are pivoting away from car production to more low cost utes from Mexico, something that willl see both continue well in the black. GM has ended it loss making in europe and Ford is in the process of rehabilitating its business in Europe and Rest of the world.
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    Re: GM and Ford merger?

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    I stopped reading after this sentence, neither of those statements about Ford and GM are true and neither is a merger. It smacks of poor research and at best skimming articles that support the author's assertions especially when Ford has an alliance with VW that will see it building Rangers and Transits for VW. That's a whole new long term guaranteed ncome stream for global business.

    I find it comical that a long suggested Merger for FCA is now causing discussion of similar for Ford and GM, their own respective situations are completely different to FCA in that Ford and GM are capable of doing much more to help themselves without a merger.

    The reality is that both GM and Ford are pivoting away from car production to more low cost utes from Mexico, something that willl see both continue well in the black. GM has ended it loss making in europe and Ford is in the process of rehabilitating its business in Europe and Rest of the world.
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    Re: GM and Ford merger?

    I can't see a full merger happening given the differences between the two companies. But I could see the two sharing a lot more powertrains and platforms, especially as we move toward more EV and AI.
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    Re: GM and Ford merger?

    Quote Originally Posted by TruckMan View Post
    But I could see the two sharing a lot more powertrains and platforms, especially as we move toward more EV and AI.
    Definitely. The two companies have collaborated on automatic transmission development and engineering for over a decade. And the two companies along with SAE and Toyota recently established the Automated Vehicle Safety Consortium.

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    Re: GM and Ford merger?

    The way things are looking.. it might make sense for them to come together. America against the world.. despite the fact that Americans love supporting the WORLD

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    While GM may have a future as a standalone car company over the next decade, Ford does not. Its market cap is down 42% over the past five years, while GM's is close to flat. The savings in a combination would be well into the billions of dollars. A marriage of the two also could compete effectively with Toyota, VW and perhaps the new Fiat Chrysler and Renault combo. GM also has the advantage that it is considered to make among the most dependable American cars.
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    Re: GM and Ford merger?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    America against the world.. despite the fact that Americans love supporting the WORLD
    Americans as individuals may or may not. But the U.S. military sure supports the world, at least based on my experience serving in the Army National Guard.

    Anyway, GM and Ford have always "loved supporting the world", having acquired or partnered with car companies in Europe, Asia, Australia, and the Americas over the decades.

    It's pretty obvious that neither GM nor Ford were adept at properly managing those entities. Whether they could manage being tied to each other in hypothetical merger is anyone's guess. I agree with TruckMan that the cultural differences alone between the two companies make a merger unlikely in the near future.
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    Re: GM and Ford merger?

    Ford & GM will only merge if one is literally on their death bed & the other can pick it up for pennies on the dollar. And even then, they probably won't merge.
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    Re: GM and Ford merger?

    They both are years behind FCA in terms of the pivot, and some of the new products are way more iffy than any Jeep. Why not consider it?

    Ford is in major trouble. They just remain in denial. There is so little passion there in the product. No one really wants most of what they are selling. They can't cut their way out of it. If gas goes to $5 a gallon, they are bankrupt, as F150 and Mustang dry like California raisins on lots. Their CEO is at a loss to comprehend things beyond office furniture - very stable industry with barriers to entry...

    GM's homeruns... when WAS the last one? I see the same things as Ford, but maybe a few more decent products.

    Jeep is hitting like juiced-up Barry Bonds right now. What is the response?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chassis Guy View Post
    They both are years behind FCA in terms of the pivot, and some of the new products are way more iffy than any Jeep. Why not consider it?

    Ford is in major trouble. They just remain in denial. There is so little passion there in the product. No one really wants most of what they are selling. They can't cut their way out of it. If gas goes to $5 a gallon, they are bankrupt, as F150 and Mustang dry like California raisins on lots. Their CEO is at a loss to comprehend things beyond office furniture - very stable industry with barriers to entry...

    GM's homeruns... when WAS the last one? I see the same things as Ford, but maybe a few more decent products.

    Jeep is hitting like juiced-up Barry Bonds right now. What is the response?
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    Re: GM and Ford merger?

    GM-HONDA-JLR should form an alliance. Why? Because I said so haha! Actually, I don't want PSA getting hold of JLR.

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    Re: GM and Ford merger?

    This is a great idea if the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny, and Santa get involved too.

    Otherwise the clash of cultures, the collision and cut-throat infighting of government-like bureaucracies--oh anybody mention the Ford family?--would IMO work out about as well as two 747 fuel tankers doing a mid-air over NYC.
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    Re: GM and Ford merger?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    This is a great idea if the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny, and Santa get involved too.

    Otherwise the clash of cultures, the collision and cut-throat infighting of government-like bureaucracies--oh anybody mention the Ford family?--would IMO work out about as well as two 747 fuel tankers doing a mid-air over NYC.
    You hit on some of my thoughts, but the deep rooted competition between the two over the decades would be a major hurdle to overcome at any rate or in any circumstance, enough being that it would kill any possibilities of getting along. I'd like to know what drugs the author was on too.

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    Re: GM and Ford merger?

    2 losers coming together doesn't make a winner.
    Ford and GM are both poorly managed companies with myopic leaders who couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag.
    The only thing that would help both companies is to replace Run Away Mary and Hatchett Job with 2 competent CEO's

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    Nope! Cooperation with platforms, parts, (automatic transmissions) and engineering yes, but hell no to a merger.
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