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    Re: Something Big May Be Coming From Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    I see a long slow transition to electrification, hybrids become more affordable
    causing ICE fuel efficiency to increase, batteries get better and cost less
    causing more electric range, taking more cost out of running gasoline...

    See what I mean?
    I still see EV as being a Fill Gap. Something will come that makes the ICE obsolete, but it isn't Electric. Electric Cars have been around near as long as the ICE and have yet to make a dent. Just ask someone in Northern Climates what they think about Battery Technology Today.

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    Re: Something Big May Be Coming From Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    ....I don't think this would work out well, in the execution if you'll pardon the word. Like the merger of France and Germany last Big War. Good for one, not so good for the other.
    Ended up being not so good for both.
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    Re: Something Big May Be Coming From Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Buttons View Post
    Am I alone in the thought of liking a solid rear axle out in the back of my RWD cars?
    No, you're not alone. There are plenty of people that like things that aren't good for them. I like pizza.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Americans never learn, remember the partnership between Suzuki and Volkswagen, the Germans have world domination illusions, this will end up in a spat...

    Or Daimler Chrysler merger of Equals, where the Equals were Germans and no one else was Equal?
    Or BMW with Rover.

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    Re: Something Big May Be Coming From Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by InCogKneeToe View Post
    I still see EV as being a Fill Gap. Something will come that makes the ICE obsolete, but it isn't Electric. Electric Cars have been around near as long as the ICE and have yet to make a dent. Just ask someone in Northern Climates what they think about Battery Technology Today.
    Quite a few EVs have been sold in northern climates. They work fine. And they ARE making a "dent". It may be a small dent, but that dent is growing.

    Electric motors have ALWAYS been better than the ICE. The problem has always been the onboard fuel storage. That fuel tank vs that battery. How expensive it is, how heavy it is, how much space it takes up, how long it lasts, how long it takes to refill....

    But every one of those categories has been greatly improved lately, and the improvements are still coming. Batteries are catching up to those gas tanks. Why is it so hard to imagine that they will pass them by?
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    Re: Something Big May Be Coming From Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by InCogKneeToe View Post
    I still see EV as being a Fill Gap. Something will come that makes the ICE obsolete, but it isn't Electric. Electric Cars have been around near as long as the ICE and have yet to make a dent. Just ask someone in Northern Climates what they think about Battery Technology Today.
    That's why I say that HEV and PHEV will be with us for a long time yet,
    more efficient gasoline hybrids will actually stave off a lot of the desire
    for mass switch to BeVs.

    Also, there's no point leaping completely to BEVs when battery chemistry
    is still not perfected. The slower transition will also give manufacturers
    time to look at all possibilities - maybe even hydrogen powered ICEs.
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    GM and BMW merger, I would love it, Use BMW sedans for GM, and SUV/Trucks to help BMW...a win win.
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    Re: Something Big May Be Coming From Ford

    Funny thing was Ford of Brazil tried a joint-venture in the 1990s with VW but it didn't meet the expecting goals for Ford. http://boitierrouge.com/2017/09/17/f...ord-au-bresil/

    And one Allpar poster posted the following who was worth to quote. https://www.allpar.com/forums/thread...ost-1085053209

    Well, it's not like old Henry didn't have a soft spot for certain Germans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainDan View Post
    Why is it so hard to imagine that they will pass them by?
    Honestly? because as yet there is no reason to. The promises people keep making of the BEV becoming practical are largely empty because this isn't something that you can actually know from an economic/business sense. You can predict, but then that is really just a fancy name for guessing and you need to be very, very aware of who is doing the guessing. Put simply, do a lot of these optimistic guesses just so happen to benefit the guessers?

    We've been trying to figure out an inexpensive way to extract titanium for ages and it just hasn't happened. By this stage it has become increasingly clear that we might never figure out an inexpensive way to extract titanium. The same thing applies to BEV's. There literally could be no truly inexpensive solution to creating batteries that make BEV's practical in the long term. In fact, we could be rapidly depleting our best resources to build those batteries right now given the nature of some of the elements, so there is the very real possibility that BEV's could become dramatically more expensive to produce in the future.

    From what I can see, at least in this regard, the current administration 'gets it'. If they can figure out that an alternative like 100% ethanol would be a lot more beneficial to all Americans, we could end up with a dramatically different direction in very short order.
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    Re: Something Big May Be Coming From Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by jossch View Post
    Since Ford quit building cars except the Mustang and VW is the largest auto manufacturer maybe this would benefit both companies. VW said good-bye to the Bug, maybe VW will get Ford to build a Bug-Truck !
    Now wouldn't that be fun (cute).

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    Re: Something Big May Be Coming From Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by jossch View Post
    Since Ford quit building cars except the Mustang and VW is the largest auto manufacturer maybe this would benefit both companies. VW said good-bye to the Bug, maybe VW will get Ford to build a Bug-Truck !
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    Now wouldn't that be fun (cute).
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    Re: Something Big May Be Coming From Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by SVT74 View Post
    .....From what I can see, at least in this regard, the current administration 'gets it'. If they can figure out that an alternative like 100% ethanol would be a lot more beneficial to all Americans, we could end up with a dramatically different direction in very short order.
    100% ethanol (E100) will probably never work in a cold climate. But mixing it with some gasoline can solve those issues. And we already have that with E85.

    Our current E85 capable vehicles are limited in that they are not optimized for E85, but merely "accept" E85, as well as also function with many levels of declining levels of ethanol content, down to E0. If they WERE optimized (higher compression) for E85, a gain in power production and fuel efficiency could be realized.
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    Re: Something Big May Be Coming From Ford

    Quote Originally Posted by Perian View Post
    As crazy as this concept sounds, when you really think about it, it would truly be a brilliant move.

    Ford is perhaps the undisputed leader in non-car vehicles, and VW is perhaps the world leader in car based vehicles. This certainly has possibilities for each, and would make an automotive powerhouse few could compete with. Billions and billions of dollars in duplicate vehicle costs could be eliminated within a few years.

    It would however, need world-wide approval from dozens of governments making the possibility of any kind of merger seem remote to say the least.

    Prediction: VW USA will get a version of the new Ford Ranger pickup truck sooner than later.
    Counter-prediction: the original intentions of these JV discussions will be scaled back significantly and amount to less than a handful of token products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfbreh View Post
    Counter-prediction: the original intentions of these JV discussions will be scaled back significantly and amount to less than a handful of token products.
    Ford-VW JV is limited to commercials for now, I suspect that has more to do
    with advances on electrification in Ford's commercial range, it may not be
    worth WV's time to reinvent the wheel...

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