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    Re: Ruess comments on C8 Corvette encrypted ECU

    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    So what if they collect data....

    And that's exactly what they like, people like you.

    They don't like people like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastbal1 View Post
    And that's exactly what they like, people like you.

    They don't like people like me.
    I'd like to dig deeper into this mindset if you don't mind because i've always had some sort of curiosity in regards to Americans that think like this. What exactly is your endgame with this...are you just happy w/ "them" hating "people like you"? What is your perceived gain by "shutting out" "big brother"? Do you watch OTA TV w/ an antennae, are your computers air gapped? Do you keep money stuffed in a mattress? Do you have a social media acct? So I'm assuming you live off the grid as well...are you logged in at the library on a shared computer in "incognito mode"? I just want to get a little insight into how far are you willing to go to remain anonymous. Because if you don't do all of these, they have enough data on you already so it's all a waste of your time.

    Also, I think it'll be a great idea to bring a screwdriver w/ you when you purchase to remove the board...You should also go for the coup de gras and put a piece of aluminum foil over the XM antennae just to make sure.
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    Re: Ruess comments on C8 Corvette encrypted ECU

    the NEW generation Uconnect has OTA capability and the forums are full of people that have had there sound quality messed up because of a BAD OTA update and FCA wont/cant stop the OTA rollout affecting more and more radios

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    Quote Originally Posted by richmond2000 View Post
    the NEW generation Uconnect has OTA capability and the forums are full of people that have had there sound quality messed up because of a BAD OTA update and FCA wont/cant stop the OTA rollout affecting more and more radios
    And that's another thing - if it ain't broke don't fix it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdotjeezy View Post
    I'd like to dig deeper into this mindset if you don't mind because i've always had some sort of curiosity in regards to Americans that think like this. What exactly is your endgame with this...are you just happy w/ "them" hating "people like you"? What is your perceived gain by "shutting out" "big brother"? Do you watch OTA TV w/ an antennae, are your computers air gapped? Do you keep money stuffed in a mattress? Do you have a social media acct? So I'm assuming you live off the grid as well...are you logged in at the library on a shared computer in "incognito mode"? I just want to get a little insight into how far are you willing to go to remain anonymous. Because if you don't do all of these, they have enough data on you already so it's all a waste of your time.

    Also, I think it'll be a great idea to bring a screwdriver w/ you when you purchase to remove the board...You should also go for the coup de gras and put a piece of aluminum foil over the XM antennae just to make sure.
    You completely miss the difference between your cell phone and your car.

    First off, for a car like the Camaro SS and higher trims, and all Corvettes, take it to a track and pull some serious G's on the turns, and OnStar WILL be calling. It's not only air bag deployment that triggers OnStar calling, it's also the accelerometer reading. It has absolutely, factually happened. Because the accelerometer in the car thinks it's been in an accident when strong enough g forces are pulled in high speed tight cornering maneuvers. Of which the Camaro SS, straight from the factory, is definitely capable of doing.

    Besides why should your car communicate with ANYTHING? What is that all about? Why do you encourage that? A car is meant for driving, for transportation. Not to go online and be connected to the web. You get in, you drive. Focus. That's it. End of story. End of arguments. You're done with everything when you get into a car to drive. Turn on the radio or listen to your iPod and that's it.

    This notion that cars need to be just as connected as your cell phone is absolutely stupid. It's a trucking car!

    And no, I'm not covering my antenna because I like satellite radio. But they can only tell I am listening to them on my car's radio, they can't see vehicle dynamics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fastbal1 View Post
    You completely miss the difference between your cell phone and your car.

    First off, for a car like the Camaro SS and higher trims, and all Corvettes, take it to a track and pull some serious G's on the turns, and OnStar WILL be calling. It's not only air bag deployment that triggers OnStar calling, it's also the accelerometer reading. It has absolutely, factually happened. Because the accelerometer in the car thinks it's been in an accident when strong enough g forces are pulled in high speed tight cornering maneuvers. Of which the Camaro SS, straight from the factory, is definitely capable of doing.

    Besides why should your car communicate with ANYTHING? What is that all about? Why do you encourage that? A car is meant for driving, for transportation. Not to go online and be connected to the web. You get in, you drive. Focus. That's it. End of story. End of arguments. You're done with everything when you get into a car to drive. Turn on the radio or listen to your iPod and that's it.

    This notion that cars need to be just as connected as your cell phone is absolutely stupid. It's a trucking car!

    And no, I'm not covering my antenna because I like satellite radio. But they can only tell I am listening to them on my car's radio, they can't see vehicle dynamics.
    I can't drive my phone??!?!?! I guess I've been using it wrong all this time. I can talk on my car though, so that's probably why i got confused.

    Yeah...that happened because the accelorometer returned a false return of a rear end car accident...you know to call for help in case the driver was incapacitated. that is the only time where on star interrupted, if you have an example of OnStar calling because of lateral Gs...please post it because i've never seen or heard of that. Anyway, all of this connectivity was bound to happen and I don't care that it is happening one way or another, it has zero effect on my life.
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    Re: Ruess comments on C8 Corvette encrypted ECU

    Meh, the new Duramax was supposedly "unhackable" - it's not. It did turn a $500 modification into a $4,000 modification but it still can be done.

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    Re: Ruess comments on C8 Corvette encrypted ECU

    Quote Originally Posted by fastbal1 View Post
    You completely miss the difference between your cell phone and your car.

    First off, for a car like the Camaro SS and higher trims, and all Corvettes, take it to a track and pull some serious G's on the turns, and OnStar WILL be calling. It's not only air bag deployment that triggers OnStar calling, it's also the accelerometer reading. It has absolutely, factually happened. Because the accelerometer in the car thinks it's been in an accident when strong enough g forces are pulled in high speed tight cornering maneuvers. Of which the Camaro SS, straight from the factory, is definitely capable of doing.

    Besides why should your car communicate with ANYTHING? What is that all about? Why do you encourage that? A car is meant for driving, for transportation. Not to go online and be connected to the web. You get in, you drive. Focus. That's it. End of story. End of arguments. You're done with everything when you get into a car to drive. Turn on the radio or listen to your iPod and that's it.

    This notion that cars need to be just as connected as your cell phone is absolutely stupid. It's a trucking car!

    And no, I'm not covering my antenna because I like satellite radio. But they can only tell I am listening to them on my car's radio, they can't see vehicle dynamics.
    There's like one document instance of OnStar false-ing for an accident while on a track. I'm sure there's more than a few of them getting emergency response personnel to an accident of an incapacitated person. There have been plenty of 5th and 6th gens run on a track without triggering OnStar so it's a bit absurd to say they WILL be calling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pontiacgt02 View Post
    People bitch and moan about what GM is doing but have their life on their cellphones which is way worse. You phone is open to the world a lot more than your car is including you computer. Going forward with more autonomous cars is going to make them more and more connected to the manufactures system. I for one don't believe full autonomous will be mainstream. It will only be viable in big cities. Otherwise most people will still be driving their cars.
    Funny that, I was at the vet yesterday for some major issues and googled on my phone some of the drugs they were prescribing for my dog. I put in the letters gab and tra and both gave correct full spellings for the drugs I was going to look for. A little disturbing. Oh, and I'd never looked (or even heard of one of the drugs) before in my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagon11 View Post
    Funny that, I was at the vet yesterday for some major issues and googled on my phone some of the drugs they were prescribing for my dog. I put in the letters gab and tra and both gave correct full spellings for the drugs I was going to look for. A little disturbing. Oh, and I'd never looked (or even heard of one of the drugs) before in my life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NHRATA01 View Post
    There's like one document instance of OnStar false-ing for an accident while on a track. I'm sure there's more than a few of them getting emergency response personnel to an accident of an incapacitated person. There have been plenty of 5th and 6th gens run on a track without triggering OnStar so it's a bit absurd to say they WILL be calling.

    You don't happen to heed those buy gold commercials that used to run on The Blaze channel, do you?
    You missed his point - I'm the type of hacker that will hack out of pure boredom/just wanting a challenge. I'd tap into someones "Camaro SS" data just to see what their performance recorder says for the heck of it. Yes, THAT hacker. I'm not here to put you at risk by taking over your car and I most surely do not care about any of your personal information but I AM here to simply be curious/nosy.

    Would I not creep you out if I told you that we've never met and I live on the other side of the USA from you yet I knew what route you took to work every morning, what Starbucks you stopped at on the way and that you leave your car idling for about six minutes while you ran in every day to grab your coffee?

    It's not necessarily about having anything to hide. It's the fact that this every day information about you is accessible if someone was simply interested enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NHRATA01 View Post
    There's like one document instance of OnStar false-ing for an accident while on a track. I'm sure there's more than a few of them getting emergency response personnel to an accident of an incapacitated person. There have been plenty of 5th and 6th gens run on a track without triggering OnStar so it's a bit absurd to say they WILL be calling.

    You don't happen to heed those buy gold commercials that used to run on The Blaze channel, do you?
    Actually there's more than a couple documented instances of this. And if there's a few posted on line you know there's been more that have not been documented on line.

    You think this is something I just thought about last night? I am in the electronics industry, and I've done my research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSkyBlackDream View Post
    You missed his point - I'm the type of hacker that will hack out of pure boredom/just wanting a challenge. I'd tap into someones "Camaro SS" data just to see what their performance recorder says for the heck of it. Yes, THAT hacker. I'm not here to put you at risk by taking over your car and I most surely do not care about any of your personal information but I AM here to simply be curious/nosy.

    Would I not creep you out if I told you that we've never met and I live on the other side of the USA from you yet I knew what route you took to work every morning, what Starbucks you stopped at on the way and that you leave your car idling for about six minutes while you ran in every day to grab your coffee?

    It's not necessarily about having anything to hide. It's the fact that this every day information about you is accessible if someone was simply interested enough.
    As I said before, your cellphone tracks you much more closely than your car. You might loan your car and someone else drives it. I don't know of anyone that gives their smartphone to someone else for the day. And I also don't know of anyone willing to give up their cell, at least those that have one. I do know one woman who has never had a cellphone. Actually with android, you can login to google and google has a history of your location data right there to see. I imagine there are people at google who can access. And of course your cell carrier knows roughly where you are in order for the tower to ping your phone. And of course there were the stories of the cell carriers selling location data to bounty hunters. So long story short, would not creep me out at all. I know the data is out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSkyBlackDream View Post
    You missed his point - I'm the type of hacker that will hack out of pure boredom/just wanting a challenge. I'd tap into someones "Camaro SS" data just to see what their performance recorder says for the heck of it. Yes, THAT hacker. I'm not here to put you at risk by taking over your car and I most surely do not care about any of your personal information but I AM here to simply be curious/nosy.

    Would I not creep you out if I told you that we've never met and I live on the other side of the USA from you yet I knew what route you took to work every morning, what Starbucks you stopped at on the way and that you leave your car idling for about six minutes while you ran in every day to grab your coffee?

    It's not necessarily about having anything to hide. It's the fact that this every day information about you is accessible if someone was simply interested enough.
    If you're the type of hacker that knows my route to work...can you tell me if taking the surface roads when I run into traffic on I10 @ Elysian Fields gets me to work faster than if I stay on the interstate?
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    Thing is, again, you can turn your phone/antenna off. You cannot do that with you car.

    The transponder board goes.

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