GM and JOHN DEERE BOTH fought against DMCA exemptions on "hacking" automotive systems most other companies did NOT "put up a FIGHT"
also GM and John DEERE have bean pushing against "right to repair" rules and OTHER consumer / 3RD party access into subsystems
it goes further then installing a "bullydog"
it would include NON GM approved diagnostic scanners being able to change parts that need programming / initialization ETC OR even a reset / resync FORCING you to HAVE TO GO TO THE DEALER
VW group you use VAG-COM
FORD has "forscan"
and FCA there is "alfaobd" all capable of running dealer level diagnostic on your car + disable / enable features as you add components
It is usually not difficult once you know where that specific circuit board is hidden. I know in the Camaros it is behind the glove box, and there are how-to threads all over the internet on how to remove the transponder board. With the Camaros the only adverse affect is you lose your compass and of course OnStar is now dead.
Removing that radio board prevents any and all attempts for GM to contact your car.
The smart thing to do from my perspective is once every 6 months or so, reinstall the radio board, let your car link up to the satellite while sitting idle in your driveway for 10 minutes to check if there's any updates, let those updates download and install, and then when it's done you shut it off and remove the board.
Everyone at GM will think all you do with your car is let it run idle in the driveway for 10 minutes once every 6 months.
In general I have a difficult time accepting that the next car I buy will be a mobile communications center. I shouldn't have to remove the transponder board. OnStar should be completely optional, all hardware and software. If I want a care without OnStar, it has ZERO satellite communication (besides again XM/Sirius). I have a cell phone and the standard vehicle telematics allow me to synch my phone to the car and use that as my communications device if I so chose.
Last edited by fastbal1; 06-06-2019 at 06:05 AM.
What you do with your car should be YOUR business. But there's more to it than GM having the ability to see if you have a lead foot...... they have already said future versions of OnStar will have the ability to track where you shop, eat, get gas, and well, everything so they can tailor advertisements to you. Wherever you do your grocery shopping, the system can track where your parking habits are and start showing you "20% off your next grocery bill" on the screen.
GM has already announced that is coming.
Now, do you really want that garbage? I surely don't.
My only concern is when the police and insurance companies start to get the data. Instant insurance increases and speeding tickets the second you go over the speed limit.
Your cell phone also gives you something valuable for logging and tracking you. Onstar doesn't. Everything onstar tracks has incentive to be used against you rather than for you. Not true of your phone.
You can turn your phone's connectivity off at will, by putting it in airplane mode. Shuts down the radio completely. OnStar doesn't give you the control over it's connectivity. You cannot completely shut the satellite transponder down.
In the end it comes down to not providing any value for what they are taking from you and risking. Because like you mentioned, most everyone already has a device that does everything in their pockets and it's useful everywhere they go...rather than just in their car, which people average maybe 1-2 hours a day in.
Ok...that's ridiculous, for 1 you're not special. How many vehicles with OnStar are on the road today???? Millions, they've never involuntarily interfered with anyone's driving activity... not once not ever. This IS a prime example of tinfoil hat levels of paranoia on display.
Last edited by sdotjeezy; 06-06-2019 at 08:35 AM.
People bitch and moan about what GM is doing but have their life on their cellphones which is way worse. You phone is open to the world a lot more than your car is including you computer. Going forward with more autonomous cars is going to make them more and more connected to the manufactures system. I for one don't believe full autonomous will be mainstream. It will only be viable in big cities. Otherwise most people will still be driving their cars.
I'll probably bring my screwdrivers to the dealer when I pick my new car up and remove the board right there at the dealer.
Last edited by fastbal1; 06-06-2019 at 08:54 AM.