New Report Accuses GM, BMW, Mercedes, VW, Other Makers of Labor Abuses in China

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    New Report Accuses GM, BMW, Mercedes, VW, Other Makers of Labor Abuses in China

    "General Motors, along with several other top automakers including BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen, have been accused of using forced labor at factories in China by an Australian think tank".

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    https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/202...uses-in-china/

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    Re: New Report Accuses GM, BMW, Mercedes, VW, Other Makers of Labor Abuses in China

    I have a lot of thoughts on this, but I'm unclear as to where GMI's political line is drawn and this topic touches on communist politics. So until I get clarification, I will not respond. In other words, I'm asking the moderators to give us some clarification as I don't think I'm the only one who isn't clear.

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    Re: New Report Accuses GM, BMW, Mercedes, VW, Other Makers of Labor Abuses in China

    With the recent reports that I've seen on Nike, I wouldn't doubt that this is true. The concentration camps for the Uyghur Muslims aren't some conspiracy theory. They do exist. And there was recently leaked drone footage of them being herded on to trains.

    Sounds like Albert Speer and Nazi Germany. If this is over the political line and violates the "vapid conversation only" rule, then I'm sorry. Assess me points, ban me, whatever. It's also true and is something that our media and most of our government is shamefully silent about. And it is certainly GM-related.
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    Re: New Report Accuses GM, BMW, Mercedes, VW, Other Makers of Labor Abuses in China

    This title is wrong.
    It should say "New Report Accuses Anyone Who Makes Anything In China Of Labor Abuses."
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    Re: New Report Accuses GM, BMW, Mercedes, VW, Other Makers of Labor Abuses in China

    to me reading the article it sounds like GM is NOT DIRECTLY involved beyond "A" doing business in China the way everybody does AND the way the JV partner does

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    Re: New Report Accuses GM, BMW, Mercedes, VW, Other Makers of Labor Abuses in China

    Quote Originally Posted by richmond2000 View Post
    to me reading the article it sounds like GM is NOT DIRECTLY involved beyond "A" doing business in China the way everybody does AND the way the JV partner does
    That was kind of the defense by Albert Speer and of German companies like IG Farben and Krupp at Nuremberg. "We needed workers. We didn't ask where they came from." And where they came from was concentration camps and foreign workers pressed into service. Fritz Sauckel was hung for providing those workers, and in retrospect Speer likely should have been as well (he got 20 years).

    I'm not in the "everyone I hate is Hitler" camp. But there's parallels here. The PRC is not a good place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksr View Post
    That was kind of the defense by Albert Speer and of German companies like IG Farben and Krupp at Nuremberg. "We needed workers. We didn't ask where they came from." And where they came from was concentration camps and foreign workers pressed into service. Fritz Sauckel was hung for providing those workers, and in retrospect Speer likely should have been as well (he got 20 years).

    I'm not in the "everyone I hate is Hitler" camp. But there's parallels here. The PRC is not a good place.
    Indeed, GM's Opel and Ford factories in Germany would probably have no choice of their labour during WW2 but neither parent company could be held responsible.

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    Re: New Report Accuses GM, BMW, Mercedes, VW, Other Makers of Labor Abuses in China

    I don't know but just skimming through it, it has all the markings of what could be another major scandal.

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    Re: New Report Accuses GM, BMW, Mercedes, VW, Other Makers of Labor Abuses in China

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    I have a lot of thoughts on this, but I'm unclear as to where GMI's political line is drawn and this topic touches on communist politics. So until I get clarification, I will not respond. In other words, I'm asking the moderators to give us some clarification as I don't think I'm the only one who isn't clear.
    Commies, in fact all tyrannies, use forced labor as SOP. It's simply the nature of the beast. Call it politics if you choose, but it's simply the way they roll. A more interesting headline would be "No Labor Abuses Found In China."
    Now that would be progress.

    Quote Originally Posted by ksr View Post
    With the recent reports that I've seen on Nike, I wouldn't doubt that this is true. The concentration camps for the Uyghur Muslims aren't some conspiracy theory. They do exist. And there was recently leaked drone footage of them being herded on to trains.

    Sounds like Albert Speer and Nazi Germany. If this is over the political line and violates the "vapid conversation only" rule, then I'm sorry. Assess me points, ban me, whatever. It's also true and is something that our media and most of our government is shamefully silent about. And it is certainly GM-related.
    Quote Originally Posted by eaton53 View Post
    This title is wrong.
    It should say "New Report Accuses Anyone Who Makes Anything In China (Is Guilty) Of Labor Abuses."
    That is about 99% correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    I don't know but just skimming through it, it has all the markings of what could be another major scandal.
    Could be. Will it get any publicity?
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    Australia stands to lose a lot here by speaking up but it goes to who we are in trading our coal,
    iron ore, wheat, barley and university education..

    It's not enough to take billions in trade and look the other way but our timing couldn't be worse
    as trade with China will be severely impacted by Australia's continued criticism of Beijing.

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    Re: New Report Accuses GM, BMW, Mercedes, VW, Other Makers of Labor Abuses in China

    Look,for the rest of the world to get the product it need, a few eggs have to be broken and why not in a country that prides itself in breaking eggs?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Buttons View Post
    Look,for the rest of the world to get the product it need, a few eggs have to be broken and why not in a country that prides itself in breaking eggs?.
    Human beings are not eggs, I know you were probably being ironic

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    Australia stands to lose a lot here by speaking up but it goes to who we are in trading our coal,
    iron ore, wheat, barley and university education..

    It's not enough to take billions in trade and look the other way but our timing couldn't be worse
    as trade with China will be severely impacted by Australia's continued criticism of Beijing.
    China shot itself in the foot by threatening Australia, India and New Zealand. The cold war is going to freeze soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    South China Sea issue now looms large
    India has been flexing a lot around the Malacca Straits and joint exercises with USA and Japan. The UK is also going to be flying the flag in South China sea with their new pocket carrier

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