"General Motors, along with several other top automakers including BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen, have been accused of using forced labor at factories in China by an Australian think tank".
I have a lot of thoughts on this, but I'm unclear as to where GMI's political line is drawn and this topic touches on communist politics. So until I get clarification, I will not respond. In other words, I'm asking the moderators to give us some clarification as I don't think I'm the only one who isn't clear.
Commies, in fact all tyrannies, use forced labor as SOP. It's simply the nature of the beast. Call it politics if you choose, but it's simply the way they roll. A more interesting headline would be "No Labor Abuses Found In China."
Now that would be progress.
With the recent reports that I've seen on Nike, I wouldn't doubt that this is true. The concentration camps for the Uyghur Muslims aren't some conspiracy theory. They do exist. And there was recently leaked drone footage of them being herded on to trains.
Sounds like Albert Speer and Nazi Germany. If this is over the political line and violates the "vapid conversation only" rule, then I'm sorry. Assess me points, ban me, whatever. It's also true and is something that our media and most of our government is shamefully silent about. And it is certainly GM-related.
With the recent reports that I've seen on Nike, I wouldn't doubt that this is true. The concentration camps for the Uyghur Muslims aren't some conspiracy theory. They do exist. And there was recently leaked drone footage of them being herded on to trains.
Sounds like Albert Speer and Nazi Germany. If this is over the political line and violates the "vapid conversation only" rule, then I'm sorry. Assess me points, ban me, whatever. It's also true and is something that our media and most of our government is shamefully silent about. And it is certainly GM-related.
to me reading the article it sounds like GM is NOT DIRECTLY involved beyond "A" doing business in China the way everybody does AND the way the JV partner does
That was kind of the defense by Albert Speer and of German companies like IG Farben and Krupp at Nuremberg. "We needed workers. We didn't ask where they came from." And where they came from was concentration camps and foreign workers pressed into service. Fritz Sauckel was hung for providing those workers, and in retrospect Speer likely should have been as well (he got 20 years).
I'm not in the "everyone I hate is Hitler" camp. But there's parallels here. The PRC is not a good place.
Australia stands to lose a lot here by speaking up but it goes to who we are in trading our coal,
iron ore, wheat, barley and university education..
It's not enough to take billions in trade and look the other way but our timing couldn't be worse
as trade with China will be severely impacted by Australia's continued criticism of Beijing.
India has been flexing a lot around the Malacca Straits and joint exercises with USA and Japan. The UK is also going to be flying the flag in South China sea with their new pocket carrier
The CEO of VW Group proudly claimed how VW was bringing jobs to the more western parts of the PRC and then feigned ignorance when asked about the forced labor of Uighurs.
Doesn't matter that the PRC is led by a "communist" dictatorship (more of a fascist dictatorship these days), where Xi tries to garner support by riding up his base with a xenophobic, ultra-nationalist platform (which is why the PRC has engaged in territorial disputes and expansion, and is doing everything it can to destroy the culture of minority groups like the Uighurs and Tibetans, so that there would be no threat of an independence movement).
The irony is that there is little to no worker's rights in these countries that had adopted a political system on the basis of worker's rights.
All bluster, chest thumping, warhawking, etc aside...there is not going to be a shooting war w/ China. Any revolution involving China will have to come from within. The facts are plain as day, you are not going to regime change any country w/ nuclear weapons...just isn't going to happen.
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