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    Re: Lee Iacocca passed away at 94

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Burr View Post
    Thanks for the info. I had heard that Edsel died from a broken heart.
    I believe he did, essentially. Henry had a long and wide mean streak.

    On another note, I always thought McNamara was a fool. He may have done some good work in WWII, but if he wasn't the stereotypical classic pencil-pushing geek who never set foot in the real world, I don't know who is.
    What was his mantra, Cost/Benefit Analysis? He's the guy who forced the F-111 to do duty for the Navy and the AF IIRC, the compromises didn't work out great for either. Some people shouldn't be allowed to touch anything past an adding machine.
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    Re: Lee Iacocca passed away at 94

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    I believe he did, essentially. Henry had a long and wide mean streak.

    On another note, I always thought McNamara was a fool. He may have done some good work in WWII, but if he wasn't the stereotypical classic pencil-pushing geek who never set foot in the real world, I don't know who is.
    What was his mantra, Cost/Benefit Analysis? He's the guy who forced the F-111 to do duty for the Navy and the AF IIRC, the compromises didn't work out great for either. Some people shouldn't be allowed to touch anything past an adding machine.
    I worked in a non-automotive unit of Ford in San Francisco, USL Capital. I toiled in the finance system that he built. He was a whiz kid and was mentioned at length in The Reckoning. As for the F-111, my father told me about how that plane was no good for the Navy: it was too heavy to take off and land on a carrier, so you can guess how that worked out. Then McNamara went to the World Bank. My dad considered him as an example of someone who gets to be in charge of thinks even if he messes up royally. He got the gigs probably because he was a Harvard man.

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    Re: Lee Iacocca passed away at 94

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    I believe he did, essentially. Henry had a long and wide mean streak.
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    Funny thing about Henry and Edsel is that Henry Ford gets all the credit but, really, Edsel (and Henry II) had much, much, much more to do with creating the Ford we know today than Henry Sr did. Total Performance, F-Series Truck dominance, the Mustang, the Ford V8 engine.....all of those are covered with the fingerprints of his kids.
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    Re: Lee Iacocca passed away at 94

    Quote Originally Posted by bmwboy2007 View Post
    Lido was one of the great ones, no doubt.. The K car cheapness was rather breathtaking however.. There was no way to make those cars desirable to any but the most budget bound.
    I disagree on desirable towards the K car
    it was VERY MODERN and VERY AFFORDABLE and the US economy was reeling from oil crises and down turn in the economy and the Japanese were NOT QUALITY outside of battery radios
    the K car "family" was WAY BETTER then what FORD OR GM was offering TILL the Taurus came out years later

    also on reliability remember NOTHING WAS RELIABLE in the early 80's and driveability was BAD to say the least

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    Quote Originally Posted by richmond2000 View Post
    I disagree on desirable towards the K car
    it was VERY MODERN and VERY AFFORDABLE and the US economy was reeling from oil crises and down turn in the economy and the Japanese were NOT QUALITY outside of battery radios
    the K car "family" was WAY BETTER then what FORD OR GM was offering TILL the Taurus came out years later

    also on reliability remember NOTHING WAS RELIABLE in the early 80's and driveability was BAD to say the least
    I had a '79 Parisienne (the big car, Bonnie was a mid-size at the time, don't ask) and an 82-ish 'vette stick shift. Other than some electric problems when I first bought the car used, no problem with the Poncho. My 'vette was trouble-free...until the AC compressor went kaputski. That was about the equal of the car's value at that point, so it went bye-bye.

    Don't think I ever drove a K car. Omni,yes. It had lots of troubles. Plus the dealer was a douche and a prick.
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    Re: Lee Iacocca passed away at 94

    Quote Originally Posted by chinamonty View Post
    Mustang Wagon for his hearse? sad when anyone dies but 94 is a pretty good innings. RIP Lee and thanks for you input to the automotive world.
    Honestly, a mint condition 1st gen Dodge Caravan would be a most appropriate hearse for him. Triple black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richmond2000 View Post
    I disagree on desirable towards the K car
    it was VERY MODERN and VERY AFFORDABLE and the US economy was reeling from oil crises and down turn in the economy and the Japanese were NOT QUALITY outside of battery radios
    the K car "family" was WAY BETTER then what FORD OR GM was offering TILL the Taurus came out years later

    also on reliability remember NOTHING WAS RELIABLE in the early 80's and driveability was BAD to say the least
    Well, Japanese quality was tops going back to 1976 when the Civic and Corolla started selling a 100,000+. By the time the K-Cars came out in ‘81, the Honda Accord had been on Car and Driver’s 10 best list 2 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastbal1 View Post
    Honestly, a mint condition 1st gen Dodge Caravan would be a most appropriate hearse for him. Triple black.
    That's a great idea, plus it could spike the market for cherry old Caravans of that era.

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    Well, Japanese quality was tops going back to 1976 when the Civic and Corolla started selling a 100,000+. By the time the K-Cars came out in ‘81, the Honda Accord had been on Car and Driver’s 10 best list 2 times.
    Yeah, the Yanks had big union troubles at the time, nobody gave a damn, guys left soft drink bottles and other gifts inside doors and other places.

    When I worked the line in the early 70s, with Johnny Cash, I had a bud who did the drive-offs at Final. Some of that crap that was "Finished, ready to ship" was seriously ragged. Some of the damn things would hardly start or ran like someone had crossed the plug wires. Which wouldn't surprise me, a buddy and I did that to his older brother once on his '54 Ford and we had a good laugh when he got back home. "I wondered why this thing was running like crap!"

    Nobody cared, you couldn't get fired, hard work was rewarded the same as the worthless turds who got paid to breathe air.

    Honda came in and built a plant at Marysville Ohio and va va va voom they were off and running. They didn't run their plant on the American model, unlike VW in PA who imported American bosses and American unions and they were officially screwed at that point, it just took time for the pieces to all fall off in-flight.

    Honda should have coined the phrase "We Are Professional Grade" because they trained the core workers, some went to Japan to get immersed in some culture, they wore coveralls, management and workers, they all had the same locker room, there were no "Management" parking spots or worse yet, "Management" free cars maintained by the company. Which divorces said management from reality and they have no idea if the factory is building Good Stuff or Hopeless Junk.

    I had a '71 Hondacar, I ran that thing mercilessly--but changed O&F religiously with the best oil I could find--and it never gave me a lick of trouble. Bulletproof.
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    Re: Lee Iacocca passed away at 94

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Honda should have coined the phrase "We Are Professional Grade" because they trained the core workers, some went to Japan to get immersed in some culture, they wore coveralls, management and workers, they all had the same locker room, there were no "Management" parking spots or worse yet, "Management" free cars maintained by the company. Which divorces said management from reality and they have no idea if the factory is building Good Stuff or Hopeless Junk.

    I had a '71 Hondacar, I ran that thing mercilessly--but changed O&F religiously with the best oil I could find--and it never gave me a lick of trouble. Bulletproof.
    +1
    Yet Iacocca along with other executives at U.S. automakers claimed (incorrectly, of course) that "unfair trade practices" accounted for Honda's success.

    Here's an excellent article that Joel Kotkin wrote for the November 1986 issue of Inc. magazine, comparing Lee Iacocca and Soichiro Honda:

    Mr. Iacocca, Meet Mr, Honda
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    Quote Originally Posted by gkr778 View Post
    +1
    Yet Iacocca along with other executives at U.S. automakers claimed (incorrectly, of course) that "unfair trade practices" accounted for Honda's success.

    Here's an excellent article that Joel Kotkin wrote for the November 1986 issue of Inc. magazine, comparing Lee Iacocca and Soichiro Honda:

    Mr. Iacocca, Meet Mr, Honda
    Interesting piece, thanks.
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    Re: Lee Iacocca passed away at 94

    Mr Honda was a genius, but that was a very biased article.

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