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    Re: GM and UAW reach tentative agreement to end month-long strike

    They should all be fat and happy now that they have had their fill at the trough. Now we, the consumer, get to pay the increased prices to pay for the greed...as more sales go to manufacturers who don't have to put up with this nonsense and who continue to offer quality vehicles without the UAW extortion tax added on..

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    Re: GM and UAW reach tentative agreement to end month-long strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Hoo boy. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    GM needs someone like Crazy Henry's thug Harry Bennet to get in there and not back down an inch.

    This ain't the 1930's, Ole Harry would get his _ss whooped.

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    Re: GM and UAW reach tentative agreement to end month-long strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Clownzilla View Post
    I think when somebody puts a piece of paper in front of them that they get $9K+ to sign, a good number of workers are going to care less about their brothers and sisters in Lordstown. It's human nature and enough UAW workers are going to succumb to it to pass it. A lot of the people in the interviews are talking about GM opening the factories back up but I just can't see that happening (besides Hamtramck). Who knows, guess we will see Thursday.

    Just heard they are keeping DHam open, to build some type of future electric powered pickup truck, and they will give the membership a $11,000.00 signing bonus upon ratification. The temp workers will receive $4,500.00. Lordstown, Baltimore, Warren transmission, and a parts distribution plant in Fontana Calif are still scheduled to close, per agreement. No mention of Oshawa Ontario.

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    Yes, I guess so much focus was on Lordstown because of the size of the operation. I think Oshawa is still being converted to a parts and body stamping plant.
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    Re: GM and UAW reach tentative agreement to end month-long strike

    The media is reporting the agreement will end GM’s funding of the training center, where top UAW officials have stolen and embezzled funds. I wonder where the UAW officials will look to next for their next gravey-train?

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    Re: GM and UAW reach tentative agreement to end month-long strike

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    This is horrifically sad news! This was by far my favorite magazine! Or would have been if I were a woman. Still, I'm feeling very empathetic today (hormones?) so I feel a very palpable pang of pain here.

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    Re: GM and UAW reach tentative agreement to end month-long strike

    GM ought to make the signing bonus only available to the union members that vote Yes to the contract. That would be interesting some leverage. I know that there are always a bunch of union diehards that always vote NO because they want to look like a bunch of bada$$es.
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    Re: GM and UAW reach tentative agreement to end month-long strike

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    This ain't the 1930's, Ole Harry would get his _ss whooped.
    He did, virtually.

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    Re: GM and UAW reach tentative agreement to end month-long strike

    GM could have offered all of this straight up and saved itself a month of
    strike. The terms aren't extortion as I think both sides got everything they were going to get. GM seems to have folded quicker than superman on washing day.

    The absolute irony to all of this is that GM's deal is probably less in total
    terms than what Ford and FCA will offer their workers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    GM could have offered all of this straight up and saved itself a month of
    strike. The terms aren't extortion as I think both sides got everything they were going to get. GM seems to have folded quicker than superman on washing day.

    The absolute irony to all of this is that GM's deal is probably less in total
    terms than what Ford and FCA will offer their workers.
    If GM offered this up front then the UAW would STILL strike and GM would of had to offer even more.
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    I await this all electric pickup with bated breath.
    Just don't hold your breath till it becomes a success!

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    Re: GM and UAW reach tentative agreement to end month-long strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Clownzilla View Post
    A lot of workers being interviewed are saying if the contract doesn't have everything they want then they will vote it down. Maybe just talking tough to the media but this just shows the lack of wanting to actually negotiate and just wanting everything they demand. Since the UAW negotiators knew this could happen I think it's just good enough to pass. However, I think people will be surprised how many workers will vote this down.
    Entitlement runs rampant. It will be interesting to see the details. I see the demands driving less and less UAW jobs, myself.

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    The media is reporting the agreement will end GM’s funding of the training center, where top UAW officials have stolen and embezzled funds. I wonder where the UAW officials will look to next for their next gravey-train?
    They can work with the Mexican drug cartels. The truck factories amazingly get unionized and the cartels have a good way to smuggle drugs into the United States.
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    Re: GM and UAW reach tentative agreement to end month-long strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Clownzilla View Post
    If GM offered this up front then the UAW would STILL strike and GM would of had to offer even more.
    I doubt that very much. If an offer like this was developed in the first week, the UAW would be compelled to take it to members for consideration and most likely, it would have passed

    Especially considering what you said in post 20,
    I think when somebody puts a piece of paper in front of them that they get $9K+ to sign, a good number of workers are going to care less about their brothers and sisters in Lordstown. It's human nature and enough UAW workers are going to succumb to it to pass it.
    In the end, this was all about job security for 9,000 members that had been casuals for years, GM softening a bit on new products and work at one or two plants that were closing and yes, a decent sign on bonus and pay raises through the contract.

    They were never going to make GM reopen all of its old closed plants, that make no economic sense, so the best they could hope fore is job security and better pay rates. All of that and more achieved over a Ford / FCA with no strike action in the wind....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    I doubt that very much. If an offer like this was developed in the first week, the UAW would be compelled to take it to members for consideration and most likely, it would have passed

    Especially considering what you said in post 20,


    In the end, this was all about job security for 9,000 members that had been casuals for years, GM softening a bit on new products and work at one or two plants that were closing and yes, a decent sign on bonus and pay raises through the contract.

    They were never going to make GM reopen all of its old closed plants, that make no economic sense, so the best they could hope fore is job security and better pay rates. All of that and more achieved over a Ford / FCA with no strike action in the wind....
    I don't know. A lot of workers seem obsessed about Lordstown an there is no way that can be economically viable at this point.
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