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    Re: GM Talks Electric Pickups, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    GM sold 250K Epsilon Sedan's last year, (in the US) if there isn't enough economies of scale there, how is there going to be with EV's?

    Spend millions to make $2K on an EV truck (maybe).







    No worries, I've got a gas generator in the bed!
    Because, once they are building a high volume of EV's, say 1/4 of their total sales volume then you have 1 million vehicles on virtually the same architecture, just different sheet metal and number of batteries and length adjusted as needed. Probably need a lot less plants - one or two to make the skateboards and then a couple to add the sheet metal.

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    Re: GM Talks Electric Pickups, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    What is making ICE cost go up, that doesn't impact EV's? Tires? Seats? Glass? Body Panels?.................

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    Government regulations tightening emissions.

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    Re: GM Talks Electric Pickups, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    I thought you were implying the washer was electric, which they all are. Now that you had to explain it to me , I do find you comment to be pretty slick!

    Mine is good and thick too, nearly an acre. However, I think we are both applying old fashioned ICE thinking here. By coincidence, I went to Loews today and they had a display for a self cutting electric lawnmower. I suspect that's what we will end up with once the price comes down (it was $1,600). I didn't have much time to check it out, but I think it will be like the indoor electric/self cleaning vacuums - it charges itself when it is time. So I bet it will mow your lawn constantly and just dock when needed. Probably will never do the whole thing at once.
    Dryer is gas-electric. In other words, a HYBRID!

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    Government regulations tightening emissions.
    ICE are so super-clean now, it's only bureaucrats and globalists who want more more more restrictions. If they REALLY wanted to clean up ICE, they'd require a battery-powered cat pre-heater and delay startup for 60-90 seconds or as long as it takes the cat to got hot enough to make the car clean.

    But that would defeat their true agenda, which is the death of ICE.

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    But I still have a gas dryer..................... don't you get it?
    But it's plugged into the wall isn't it? Ours is.
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    Re: GM Talks Electric Pickups, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Because, once they are building a high volume of EV's, say 1/4 of their total sales volume then you have 1 million vehicles on virtually the same architecture, just different sheet metal and number of batteries and length adjusted as needed. Probably need a lot less plants - one or two to make the skateboards and then a couple to add the sheet metal.
    What decade are we looking at here?

    Why can't GM build 1 million vehicles on one platform out of a lot less plants now?


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    Dryer is gas-electric. In other words, a HYBRID!
    I'm "pulling the plug" my next dryer will powered via battery-pack all the way, it's cheaper!
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    Re: GM Talks Electric Pickups, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    What decade are we looking at here?

    Why can't GM build 1 million vehicles on one platform out of a lot less plants now?




    I'm "pulling the plug" my next dryer will powered via battery-pack all the way, it's cheaper!
    No clue why GM hasn't done better with shared ICE platforms.

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    Re: GM Talks Electric Pickups, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Dryer is gas-electric. In other words, a HYBRID!
    Hahahaha! Wish I had gas availability at my house, then I could tell the Prius owners I have a hybrid too!



    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    ICE are so super-clean now, it's only bureaucrats and globalists who want more more more restrictions. If they REALLY wanted to clean up ICE, they'd require a battery-powered cat pre-heater and delay startup for 60-90 seconds or as long as it takes the cat to got hot enough to make the car clean.

    But that would defeat their true agenda, which is the death of ICE.
    I am truly interested in what I said earlier - is one natural gas powered plant, capable of "filling" 500,000 EV cars materially cleaner than 500,000 ICE vehicles?

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    Re: GM Talks Electric Pickups, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Hahahaha! Wish I had gas availability at my house, then I could tell the Prius owners I have a hybrid too!





    I am truly interested in what I said earlier - is one natural gas powered plant, capable of "filling" 500,000 EV cars materially cleaner than 500,000 ICE vehicles?
    Good question. Unfortunately I haven't seen the Shell Answer Man for quite some time now.

    I think you also have to account for waste, how much power is lost in transmission lines vs how much is used transporting petrol, it gets complicated fast.

    But sticking to your original question, that should be fairly easy to answer for someone schooled in such matters.
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    Re: GM Talks Electric Pickups, Again

    I know Voltec is dead in North America, but that's the tech they should be using for pick-ups, not electric, at least for now. If the transmission was robust enough, they already had the tech in the CT6 PHEV. It makes 335 horsepower and 432 lb-ft of torque combined. Much of that torque is from 0 rpm. Imagine how great that would be for towing. Add about 20 kwh of batteries, and you've got 50-60 miles of range. GM needs to make this about performance and fuel economy, not about "saving the environment". I have a Volt. My parents have a CT6 PHEV. We didn't buy them to save the environment, but we bought them because, on the used market, they were bargains for the performance, technology, and fuel cost savings while having great warranties. If you can give a truck buyer better towing performance and gas savings (both through mpg and being able to do a typical commute on electric only), and do it for a similar price, or at least a price that allows the fuel savings to pay back, you'd have a winner.
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    Re: GM Talks Electric Pickups, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by SierraGS View Post
    they will be the worst polluters of any vehicle that has ever been made when all the the environmental impacts are added up.


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    I've been saying this for years now!

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    Re: GM Talks Electric Pickups, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    What is making ICE cost go up, that doesn't impact EV's? Tires? Seats? Glass? Body Panels?.................
    Emissions regulations - Also overall more assembly and moving parts. EV's will be less labour intensive to produce.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post

    Percentage-wise, sure - "Statistical Manipulation". But I think they are actually down YTD in the US for 2019. Bolt/Volt were down over 15% last year and down more in Q1.
    Using US sales is disingenuous. Bolt EV is production constrained and global sales have only gone up. Even after GM increased production more than 25% last fall and started making batteries in the US for the Bolt EV.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post

    Yep, same thing we were told.................. 5 - 10 - 15 years AGO.
    I was heavily involved in automotive engineering 15 years ago. Nobody and I mean nobody dreamed that an EV could be made that could do 200 miles for under $40K. Today that is now old technology. What is in development now will simply blow your mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post

    It has practical applications; once batteries get down to $150 like the LaCrosse it'll make more sense.
    Huh? This comment makes no sense. Why would batteries need to cost $150? Do transmissions only cost $150? Can you even do an exhaust system or gas tank for $150?

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    Would love to see the full break-down.
    I did a video of my drive down. Will be making a couple more.


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    My yard is almost 4 times that size.................
    The version I have is the largest single battery version. There is also two battery versions with even longer run times. There are also now plug-in electric riding lawnmowers. Ryobi has a couple versions that can do up to 3 acres on a charge. Club Cadet has one as well. I've linked Ryobi's 100Ah 3 acre version below. They have a 75Ah 2 acre version as well.

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    Re: GM Talks Electric Pickups, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Ambalanche View Post
    I've been saying this for years now!
    Not even close. EV's even if charged using 100% coal fired energy are still cleaner than a gasoline powered vehicle. And as of May 1rst coal is now only 27.4% of electricity production in the US and falling very fast (it was 40% about 5 years ago). In my area we have zero coal. Natural Gas is the only fossil fuel based energy source and it only comprises of less than 5% of our electrical generation.

    As for batteries. Salvage batteries today are a hot commodity. Salvage EV's go for a premium to get at the batteries to be reused typically for grid tied storage. EV batteries are also over 98% recyclable.

    Overall EV's require fewer parts and are much less energy intensive to produce once you take the life cycle into consideration.

    Of note it also takes quite a bit of electricity to refine oil into gasoline. It's much more efficient to just skip the middle man.
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    Re: GM Talks Electric Pickups, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Good question. Unfortunately I haven't seen the Shell Answer Man for quite some time now.

    I think you also have to account for waste, how much power is lost in transmission lines vs how much is used transporting petrol, it gets complicated fast.

    But sticking to your original question, that should be fairly easy to answer for someone schooled in such matters.
    Definitely a lot of variables, also a lot of waste in producing a power plant for each ICE car. And I assume a power plant has each gas generator running at peak efficiency. I need a scientist!

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    Re: GM Talks Electric Pickups, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    Definitely a lot of variables, also a lot of waste in producing a power plant for each ICE car. And I assume a power plant has each gas generator running at peak efficiency. I need a scientist!
    Gas engines are 17-21% energy efficient. Toyota made huge stinks a few years ago announcing they developed one that was 38%. Diesel is about 40-45%. Electric is 85-90%.

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    Re: GM Talks Electric Pickups, Again

    Quote Originally Posted by MechEng View Post
    Not even close. EV's even if charged using 100% coal fired energy are still cleaner than a gasoline powered vehicle. And as of May 1rst coal is now only 27.4% of electricity production in the US and falling very fast (it was 40% about 5 years ago). In my area we have zero coal. Natural Gas is the only fossil fuel based energy source and it only comprises of less than 5% of our electrical generation.

    As for batteries. Salvage batteries today are a hot commodity. Salvage EV's go for a premium to get at the batteries to be reused typically for grid tied storage. EV batteries are also over 98% recyclable.

    Overall EV's require fewer parts and are much less energy intensive to produce once you take the life cycle into consideration.

    Of note it also takes quite a bit of electricity to refine oil into gasoline. It's much more efficient to just skip the middle man.
    Link/s with evidence would be appreciated.
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