GM recalls more than 3.4M pickups, SUVs to fix brake issues

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    GM recalls more than 3.4M pickups, SUVs to fix brake issues

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/gm-r...sues-1.4587854

    Tom Krisher, The Associated Press
    Published Wednesday, September 11, 2019 7:52AM EDT
    Last Updated Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:45AM EDT


    DETROIT -- Under pressure from the federal government, General Motors is recalling nearly 3.8 million big pickup trucks and SUVs in the U.S and Canada to fix a brake problem.

    The recall covers the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra 1500, 2500 and 3500 pickups from the 2014 through 2018 model years. Also included are the Cadillac Escalade from 2015 to 2017, and the GMC Yukon and Chevy Suburban and Tahoe from 2015 through 2018.

    GM says that as it ages, the pump in the power-assist brakes can put out less vacuum power than needed, increasing stopping distance and the risk of a crash.

    The company is recalling 3.46 million vehicles in the U.S., and it recalled another 310,000 in Canada back in June. GM said global numbers for the recall weren't available.

    Dealers will recalibrate the electronic brake control module at no cost to customers. Owners were to be notified starting Sept. 6.

    The company says it has 113 reports of crashes and 13 injuries related to the problem.

    NHTSA, the government's road safety agency, began investigating the problem in November of last year after getting 111 complaints from owners of poor brake performance. At the time the agency had nine reports of crashes that had caused two injuries.

    GM says the problems occur rarely and mostly at low speeds like driving in parking lots. Even with the problem, the brakes "continue to function and exceed the requirements of the appropriate federal motor vehicle safety standard," GM spokesman Dan Flores said.

    The vacuum pump is lubricated with engine oil that flows through a filter screen. In some of the trucks, oil sludge or other debris can clog the screen, reducing oil flow and causing the pump's vacuum output to drop, Flores said.

    The trucks, he said, have a secondary power brake assist system which works when there are problems with the main system, but it is limited at lower speeds. The reprogramming will activate the secondary system faster.

    GM isn't replacing the pumps because pump failures are rare and already are covered by an extended warranty, Flores said. "This remedy will improve brake performance in any situation where brake vacuum drops," he said.

    The recall comes 10 months after NHTSA opened its investigation and over two months after the recall was announced in Canada. Asked why it took that long to do the recall, Flores said only that the company has been co-operating with NHTSA and providing data. He said GM would have done the recall even without the NHTSA investigation.

    Drivers could feel a vibration in the brake pedal or a change in pressure required to push the brake pedal if their trucks have the vacuum pump problem. If the problem surfaces, owners will see a message on their dashboard telling them to service the brake assist system, Flores said.

    Although the recall is a large number, the cost will not be high enough for GM to report it to the Securities and Exchange commission as an event that will materially affect earnings, Flores said. He said he didn't know the cost.

    GM also is recalling over 177,000 Chevrolet Malibu sedans from the 2018 model year in the U.S. because the fuel injectors can fail.

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    I considered buying a new 2015 Chevrolet Tahoe in the spring of 2015. Then, the 2015 Tahoe had already accumulated six safety recalls. I had owned GM vehicles continuously for 46 years then, and decided to buy a new 2015 Ford Expedition Limited 4x4 - my first Ford vehicle.

    My decision was based upon the massive number of safety recalls being issued by GM then (my 2014 Impala 2LTZ had a bunch), the six safety recalls issued for the Tahoe - midway through the model year, and the marginal third-seat space of the Tahoe.

    This current safety recall is the 14th safety recall for the 2015 Chevrolet Tahoe. Sad.

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    Re: GM recalls more than 3.4M pickups, SUVs to fix brake issues

    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    I considered buying a new 2015 Chevrolet Tahoe in the spring of 2015. Then, the 2015 Tahoe had already accumulated six safety recalls. I had owned GM vehicles continuously for 46 years then, and decided to buy a new 2015 Ford Expedition Limited 4x4 - my first Ford vehicle.

    My decision was based upon the massive number of safety recalls being issued by GM then (my 2014 Impala 2LTZ had a bunch), the six safety recalls issued for the Tahoe - midway through the model year, and the marginal third-seat space of the Tahoe.

    This current safety recall is the 14th safety recall for the 2015 Chevrolet Tahoe. Sad.
    I owned a 2007 Avalanche first year "GMT900" and it only ever had 2 recalls on it
    one for the 07 only heated washer pump wiring "upgrade" and second to REMOVE the heated washer system

    and that was considered a BAD generation for GM as it was the "hail mary" redesign B4 bankruptcy

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    Brakes-schmakes! Don't worry, be happy!
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    Re: GM recalls more than 3.4M pickups, SUVs to fix brake issues

    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    I considered buying a new 2015 Chevrolet Tahoe in the spring of 2015. Then, the 2015 Tahoe had already accumulated six safety recalls. I had owned GM vehicles continuously for 46 years then, and decided to buy a new 2015 Ford Expedition Limited 4x4 - my first Ford vehicle.

    My decision was based upon the massive number of safety recalls being issued by GM then (my 2014 Impala 2LTZ had a bunch), the six safety recalls issued for the Tahoe - midway through the model year, and the marginal third-seat space of the Tahoe.

    This current safety recall is the 14th safety recall for the 2015 Chevrolet Tahoe. Sad.
    My question to that is in general about the overall industry. Previous to all these recalls GM used to sweep a lot of problems under the carpet and avoid recalls. Then they had their hail Mary moment with the ignition switch and began to recall. My question is, are the other manufacturers just that much better or are they sweeping things under the carpet? My gut tells me there is a lot of sweeping going on in the industry, I'd rather deal with the inconvenience of several recalls vs. the "sweeping" approach and issues avoided & not fixed.

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    Re: GM recalls more than 3.4M pickups, SUVs to fix brake issues

    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    I considered buying a new 2015 Chevrolet Tahoe in the spring of 2015. Then, the 2015 Tahoe had already accumulated six safety recalls. I had owned GM vehicles continuously for 46 years then, and decided to buy a new 2015 Ford Expedition Limited 4x4 - my first Ford vehicle.

    My decision was based upon the massive number of safety recalls being issued by GM then (my 2014 Impala 2LTZ had a bunch), the six safety recalls issued for the Tahoe - midway through the model year, and the marginal third-seat space of the Tahoe.

    This current safety recall is the 14th safety recall for the 2015 Chevrolet Tahoe. Sad.
    Ford has had 2 very recent recalls on its trucks.https://www.autoblog.com/2019/08/30/...f150-explorer/ The key is to get ahead of it. Isn't there another thread about some trans issue on the escort as well. All cars have issues. Really given as complex as they are, the expectation they last 10+ years,that they endure harsh environments and usage, it is amazing they work as well as they do.

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    Re: GM recalls more than 3.4M pickups, SUVs to fix brake issues

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    My question to that is in general about the overall industry. Previous to all these recalls GM used to sweep a lot of problems under the carpet and avoid recalls. Then they had their hail Mary moment with the ignition switch and began to recall. My question is, are the other manufacturers just that much better or are they sweeping things under the carpet? My gut tells me there is a lot of sweeping going on in the industry, I'd rather deal with the inconvenience of several recalls vs. the "sweeping" approach and issues avoided & not fixed.


    You make some very good points.

    My feelings about safety recalls are that they are indicative of poor quality, poor manufacturing or poor design. The manufacturers are forced to issue safety recalls by the NHTSA.

    I always wonder how many other poor quality issues exist on a vehicle with a high number of safety recalls, but aren’t considered safety related - thus no safety recall?

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    Re: GM recalls more than 3.4M pickups, SUVs to fix brake issues

    Quote Originally Posted by InCogKneeToe View Post
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/gm-r...sues-1.4587854

    The company says it has 113 reports of crashes and 13 injuries related to the problem.
    At least it's not the ignition problem - no deaths.

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    Re: GM recalls more than 3.4M pickups, SUVs to fix brake issues

    Quote Originally Posted by richmond2000 View Post
    I owned a 2007 Avalanche first year "GMT900" and it only ever had 2 recalls on it
    one for the 07 only heated washer pump wiring "upgrade" and second to REMOVE the heated washer system

    and that was considered a BAD generation for GM as it was the "hail mary" redesign B4 bankruptcy


    I had several safety recalls for my 1999 Corvette coupe. The NHTSA forced GM to recall several model years of the C5 Corvettes due to a poorly designed and malfunctioning steering column lock feature (installed on GM cars since 1969). My wife and I were stranded out-of-state due to a malfunctioning steering column lock on my Corvette, ruining our vacation trip and requiring the car to be towed.

    GM’s answer to the defect was to disconnect it - not repair it. Just like your heated washer fluid system, that you paid for with the vehicle. If I remember correctly, GM issued some token reimbursement for the washer fluid heater disconnect. On the Corvette, they issued nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    I had several safety recalls for my 1999 Corvette coupe. The NHTSA forced GM to recall several model years of the C5 Corvettes due to a poorly designed and malfunctioning steering column lock feature (installed on GM cars since 1969). My wife and I were stranded out-of-state due to a malfunctioning steering column lock on my Corvette, ruining our vacation trip and requiring the car to be towed.

    GM’s answer to the defect was to disconnect it - not repair it. Just like your heated washer fluid system, that you paid for with the vehicle. If I remember correctly, GM issued some token reimbursement for the washer fluid heater disconnect. On the Corvette, they issued nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGTP View Post
    My question to that is in general about the overall industry. Previous to all these recalls GM used to sweep a lot of problems under the carpet and avoid recalls. Then they had their hail Mary moment with the ignition switch and began to recall. My question is, are the other manufacturers just that much better or are they sweeping things under the carpet? My gut tells me there is a lot of sweeping going on in the industry, I'd rather deal with the inconvenience of several recalls vs. the "sweeping" approach and issues avoided & not fixed.
    Speaking of sweeping things under the carpet...

    https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...it/1119773001/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    Don't forget, GM cares about its customers.
    GM only cares about new customers. The guys that bought cars from GM can go kick rocks, they won't be buying a new car for 3-7 years.





    Wait...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    This current safety recall is the 14th safety recall for the 2015 Chevrolet Tahoe. Sad.
    What's really sad is this doesn't even fix the actual problem, only boosts the backup system's effectiveness!

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    Re: GM recalls more than 3.4M pickups, SUVs to fix brake issues

    Excerpt from today's Autonews.com...

    "Separately, GM said Wednesday is recalling 270,000 U.S. additional vehicles in three smaller recalls, including 177,000 2018 Chevrolet Malibu cars with 1.5L turbo engines because an error in the engine control module software may result in the fuel injectors being disabled".

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    Re: GM recalls more than 3.4M pickups, SUVs to fix brake issues

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    Speaking of sweeping things under the carpet...

    https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...it/1119773001/
    Ha! I actually had posted that several months ago and was told it is a minor issue, only a small handful of cars and that I should move along and occupy my time by eating cookies.

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