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    Re: GM CEO: Yes To Electric Vehicles - No To Hybrids

    Quote Originally Posted by tripowergto Jan2003 View Post
    Yes they did, especially since they kept D-Ham open afterall in the UAW deal. Our Volts have both been exceptional cars but there is no replacement.

    I’ve wondered why GM didn’t take the Volt power train (Voltec?) and use it with small to mid-size CUV’s?

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    Re: GM CEO: Yes To Electric Vehicles - No To Hybrids

    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    I’ve wondered why GM didn’t take the Volt power train (Voltec?) and use it with small to mid-size CUV’s?
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    Re: GM CEO: Yes To Electric Vehicles - No To Hybrids

    Quote Originally Posted by Self Reliance View Post
    That's not smart. Not everyone has access to charging at home. If anything plugin-hybrids provide the best midterm approach to electrification. People might have access to charging at work or elsewhere but not necessarily at home.

    Edit:
    It is funny seeing this headline right above "Source: C8 Corvette ZR1 to Get Hybrid Twin-Turbo DOHC V-8 With 900 HP!"
    Poor GM.....It doesn't know if it's coming or going.

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    Re: GM CEO: Yes To Electric Vehicles - No To Hybrids

    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    Iíve wondered why GM didnít take the Volt power train (Voltec?) and use it with small to mid-size CUVís?
    GM probably felt there wasn't a market for it.
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    Re: GM CEO: Yes To Electric Vehicles - No To Hybrids

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Buttons View Post
    Poor GM.....It doesn't know if it's coming or going.
    That might be the understatement of the year.

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    Re: GM CEO: Yes To Electric Vehicles - No To Hybrids

    Quote Originally Posted by 1999 White C5 Coupe View Post
    Iíve wondered why GM didnít take the Volt power train (Voltec?) and use it with small to mid-size CUVís?
    Because they're stupid.

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    Now that I am driving a Ford Hybrid, I got to say, Chevrolet did drop the ball with Volt, They should have combined the Volt and Bolt Battery pack, improved Volt interior packaging and called it a day.. Mother Barrah is wrong here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tripowergto Jan2003 View Post
    Yes they did, especially since they kept D-Ham open afterall in the UAW deal. Our Volts have both been exceptional cars but there is no replacement.
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    Re: GM CEO: Yes To Electric Vehicles - No To Hybrids

    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    Ford is all-in on Hybrids so we shall see who is right here. It's not like they aren't doing BEVs as well.

    I do think Plug-in Hybrids are irrelevant now however.
    How so? What's wrong with a slightly larger battery and the option to start off with ~20 miles of EV?
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    Re: GM CEO: Yes To Electric Vehicles - No To Hybrids

    Now do you get why I call her Run Away Mary?
    A gutless, tonedeaf CEO who is putting GM into it's grave

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    Re: GM CEO: Yes To Electric Vehicles - No To Hybrids

    “Customers aren’t interested in hybrids,” Barra said.
    But they are interested in BEV's?
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    Re: GM CEO: Yes To Electric Vehicles - No To Hybrids

    My volt just turned 100,000 miles. Maybe it will be my 2nd car to surpass 200k. I love the way my wife can drive it to work and back and not use any gas. But when she picks up the grand kids and is out of battery, just keeps going like nothing happened. Or when I decide to take a 700 or 4000 mile trip, no problem. Just fill it up and drive like normal. One car does it all. Saves gas and no range anxiety. Was a brilliant car and GM did not market it. Terrible loss.
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    Re: GM CEO: Yes To Electric Vehicles - No To Hybrids

    Please GM no Micky Mouse cheesy EV pick-up trucks, cant help but think that Silverado EV sales would drop to 1,500 a month max not good for GM future profits that are all made mainly on GM trucks in North America.




    If possible, l dont like don't unpractical pick-ups with designed in induced blind spots in the rear cab with to much steel replacing glass practical visibility that looks like a boring car, dont like pick-ups that sit on huge 34" inch rims that encroach into unpractical ultra tiny small boxes that have all cargo area of a postage stamp the pick-up starts to loose it's functionality, l can't see the point of a EV pick-up with 935 lb-ft of torque when all its fit for carrying few blocks of cheese around in an unpractical tiny bed.

    Hope the future is not this dull unpractical crap rendering?



    If it is then l will be buying this instead in the future.



    Hope Chevy my No1 choice pick over Ford don't screw up the future Silverado EV design, cant help but think the front plan view will be a total botched up mess before it arrives..
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    Re: GM CEO: Yes To Electric Vehicles - No To Hybrids

    Quote Originally Posted by Self Reliance View Post
    That's not smart. Not everyone has access to charging at home. If anything plugin-hybrids provide the best midterm approach to electrification. People might have access to charging at work or elsewhere but not necessarily at home. ...
    This alone makes a quick transition to EV production not make sense. I refuse to believe that Mary is oblivious to this fact, yet I have no explanation for her lack of a rationale that explains how this obstacle is going to be removed before 2023. It's a barrier. Anyone contemplating an EV will have to have at-home charging. At-work charging might help, but what about when you take a day off and can't charge? What about apartment living? How many landlords are going to install charging on their nickel? Mary, we have a problem here.
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    Re: GM CEO: Yes To Electric Vehicles - No To Hybrids

    Quote Originally Posted by BORG View Post
    Ford is all-in on Hybrids so we shall see who is right here. It's not like they aren't doing BEVs as well.

    I do think Plug-in Hybrids are irrelevant now however.
    100% agree


    Hybrids were a gateway drug, and PHEV were trying to be a 'have it both ways' offer, but now, some 20 years after hybrids came to the mainstream, it seems PHEVs are superfluous ... either stick to the tried and true with a Hybrid, or reap all the benefits with a BEV.

    My 2 examples:
    I owned a Prius C and loved it for what it was - a super cheap-to-run commuter - plus I could not easily charge. Now am without a car as I do not need one, but should I need one in the future ... it will be a BEV. The charging is less of an issue, and I can take advantage of the better packaging and cheaper maintenance in BEV over anything with an ICE.

    My mother still lives in a place where charging is an issue .. and that will not change .. so I recommend her a normal Hybrid as her next car - she does not need to change her habits in her old age and figure out new things like charging the car ... but her most common driving - puttering around town on various errands - can be super green.

    I have hard time coming up with a use case that benefits from PHEV over either Hybrids or BEV

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    Re: GM CEO: Yes To Electric Vehicles - No To Hybrids

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldsmobile stopped View Post

    Hope Chevy my No1 choice pick over Ford don't screw up the future Silverado EV design, cant help but think the front plan view will be a total botched up mess before it arrives..
    Oh boy. You ar egoing WAY beyond the quote. Besides, Ford is definitely releasing a hybrid F150 (possibly an EV F150 pretty shortly, and have invested in Rivian.

    It's unlikely GM will start electrification with a truck or that it will actually replace major product with EV ones. Hell, look how VW electrified its bread and butter - the Golf. VW dipped their toes in with e-Golf and GTE options with normal ICE Golf available. Now they introduced an all-in EV the ID.3. and left Golf as is for those not ready yet.

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    Re: GM CEO: Yes To Electric Vehicles - No To Hybrids

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    How so? What's wrong with a slightly larger battery and the option to start off with ~20 miles of EV?
    The disadvantage of PHEV is that it is an inferior hybrid if you cannot charge and an inferior EV if you can.
    Once PHEV runs as a Hybrid it's less effective than a normal Hybrid. - so you really should be plugging it in and if you cannot, get a hybrid.
    Unlike BEV whose drivetrain has what? 2 moving parts? And takes up very little space. PHEV has a whole ICE to maintain lug around and store. So if you can plug in your car, just get the BEV, it's the better option.

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