GM bringing 3-cylinder back to North America

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    GM bringing 3-cylinder back to North America

    GM bringing 3-cylinder back to N.A.
    RICHARD TRUETT
    December 01, 2019
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    After a 20-year absence, the three-cylinder engine is returning to General Motors' North American vehicles.

    The Buick Encore GX and the Chevrolet Trailblazer will be offered with 1.2- and 1.3-liter turbocharged three-cylinder engines, starting next year.

    The last time GM sold a vehicle in the U.S. with a three-cylinder was in 2000: The Chevrolet Metro was equipped with a 1.0-liter nonturbo engine rated at 55 hp. In comparison, the automaker's modern-day 1.3-liter is rated at 155 hp.

    GM has not disclosed the 1.2-liter's U.S. power specs, but in vehicles sold overseas, it is rated at 137 hp.

    The three-cylinder engines, though new to the U.S., have been in production since 2014 and were developed in Europe and Asia by GM and some of its joint-venture partners.

    The engine family is used in several vehicles made by SAIC, which markets vehicles under the MG and Roewe brands. SAIC builds its own versions of the engines. GM will make the engines at its Ramos Arizpe, Mexico, plant, said spokesman Kevin Kelly.
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    Re: GM bringing 3-cylinder back to North America

    Glad to see these engines are making their way over. I'm not longing for a 3-cylinder motor, but at some point, the price of fuel will likely rise again. When that happens, these more fuel efficient motors will have already been federalized for our market -- and that's a good thing for consumers.

    Quote Originally Posted by autonews.com
    The 1.2-liter is one of the smallest-displacement engines ever offered by GM in North America. Besides the 1.0-liter Metro engine, the only other smaller engine was a 1.1-liter four-cylinder available in the Opel GT sport coupe in the late 1960s.
    That's an interesting bit of information. While I doubt GM would ever make kei car sized motors for the US market, this ought to look good in a green-themed press release.
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    Re: GM bringing 3-cylinder back to North America

    My only issue with these is, what will they be like in high altitude and hilly locations like out here in the Rocky Mountains? Likely they very well may wheeze a lot or be a gutless wonder with not enough power to pull the skin off a pudding.

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    I would love to try either of these engines in an updated Sonic sedan or hatchback...stick shift...but of course I’m not holding my breath.

    My 1.8L Sonic 5sp can get 40-41MPG on the highway, so the 1.2T (which has about the same hp and more torque) should do very nicely. No CVT for me, thanks.

    That said, these look good and should sell well for Chevy.
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    Re: GM bringing 3-cylinder back to North America

    Quote Originally Posted by nadepalma View Post
    I'm not longing for a 3-cylinder motor, but at some point, the price of fuel will likely rise again. When that happens, these more fuel efficient motors will have already been federalized for our market -- and that's a good thing for consumers.
    Not likely, with the glut of gas and ever increasing fuel economy, plus the shift to eCars, we are far past peak demand.

    Quote Originally Posted by nadepalma View Post
    The Buick Encore GX and the Chevrolet Trailblazer will be offered with 1.2- and 1.3-liter turbocharged three-cylinder engines, starting next year.
    Its an OK crossover, but I hate they used the Trailblazer name, what a waste of a nameplate and oh so disingenuous.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    My only issue with these is, what will they be like in high altitude and hilly locations like out here in the Rocky Mountains? Likely they very well may wheeze a lot or be a gutless wonder with not enough power to pull the skin off a pudding.
    Well the Turbo should help substantially, considering they do better in altitude than NA engines. Plus if they get the 9-speed that's a lot of TQ multiplication. They won't be burners, but they should be fine.
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    Re: GM bringing 3-cylinder back to North America

    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    My only issue with these is, what will they be like in high altitude and hilly locations like out here in the Rocky Mountains? Likely they very well may wheeze a lot or be a gutless wonder with not enough power to pull the skin off a pudding.
    As CJH notes, turbos do well at altitude. Three or four cylinders.

    I can only speak for my '15 Soul 2.0/6A, but when we crossed several mountain ranges which peaked at about 5000', I didn't feel a lot of power loss. What I did notice was the car would kick down earlier and stay in a lower gear for a long time on some uphill stretches. But it never struggled, that was a 3000 pound car with about 500# of cargo aboard.
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    If Buick offered a engine for the Encore GX in the 180 hp range, it would be on my list.
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    Re: GM bringing 3-cylinder back to North America

    Nothing sexier than less engine. I wonder what that 3cyl sounds like passing by.

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    Re: GM bringing 3-cylinder back to North America

    I lose sleep anticipating the eventual 2-cylinder.
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    Re: GM bringing 3-cylinder back to North America

    Anemic is probably the key word, unless they are running some ridiculous compression ratios

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyg View Post
    My 1.8L Sonic 5sp can get 40-41MPG on the highway, so the 1.2T (which has about the same hp and more torque) should do very nicely. No CVT for me, thanks.
    Nothing special though. Our 2.0L Diesel Cruze, fully loaded, heated leather, automatic etc gets 50+ on the highway and much faster than a NA 1.8L engine. Going across central Ohio (flat land) we'd see 60+mpg. Warren Ohio to Ardmore Alabama can be done on 1 tank of fuel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neanderthal View Post
    I didn't feel a lot of power loss. What I did notice was the car would kick down earlier and stay in a lower gear for a long time on some uphill stretches. But it never struggled, that was a 3000 pound car with about 500# of cargo aboard.
    Yet another plus for the 2.0L Diesel in the cruze. Loaded with people and luggage we have yet to experience this on the highway, it just chews up the hills.

    Personally I think GM missed an opportunity by not offering the 2.0L Diesel in the Equinox back in 2014.
    Performance and mileage. The reason I never bought that generation 'nox was I didn't trust either engine option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Buttons View Post
    Nothing sexier than less engine. I wonder what that 3cyl sounds like passing by.
    Like a Maytag chowing down on a bushel of lock washers or else it's grinding rags under the hood there. I hope not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJH View Post
    Not likely, with the glut of gas and ever increasing fuel economy, plus the shift to eCars, we are far past peak demand.
    Politics is the big unknown in the equation but I won't go into that.
    You still have huge parts of the world with under developed countries which one day will have lots of people wanting automobiles. The infrastructure won't be there in those countries for the entire population to go all electric. It will be the internal combustion engine they will use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1958carnut View Post
    Like a Maytag chowing down on a bushel of lock washers or else it's grinding rags under the hood there. I hope not.
    My Kawasaki 500 triple sounded pretty mellow, especially after I put the K&Ns on. The whomp it gave off when it hit power at 6000 was pretty cool. I'm guessing this one will be a bit less dramatic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tripowergto Jan2003 View Post
    I lose sleep anticipating the eventual 2-cylinder.


    Imagine the possibilities; a V-2, a straight-2, a boxer-2, a turbo-2, or a dual-turbo 2.......

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