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    GM and Bechtel plan to build thousands of car charging stations across the US

    New York (CNN Business)General Motors, America's largest automaker, and Bechtel, the country's largest construction company, are teaming up to build thousands of electric vehicle fast-charging stations across the United States. The two companies have agreed to create a new company that will build the charger network.

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    Re: GM and Bechtel plan to build thousands of car charging stations across the US

    Will be interesting to see how many new jobs this could/will create...

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    How many gas stations are in America?
    Adjusting for inflation, gasoline is half its price of 102 years ago. And there's more than one gas station in the United States as well. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there were 114,533 gas stations in the U.S. at the end of 2012, the last year for which data is available.May 22, 2014
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    Re: GM and Bechtel plan to build thousands of car charging stations across the US

    Makes sense to build an infra structure for electric charging stations...

    I am surprised tesla didnt open up its charging networks for a fee...especially since it needs the money...

    Universal charging networks for all brands should be implemented in this country...

    Fast charge to 80 percent seems to be the way to go...

    Pay with a credit card for each charge usuage makes sense..

    Mall charging stations make the most sense...just need a timer to alert consumers charging that its imperative to get back and move the vehicle for others waiting to charge up...

    I believe Ive seen 15 charging stations at the palasades mall in west nyack NY but there is 100 ft light poles laying infront of the chargers at this point to keep tesla owners from using the incomplete stations...

    The charging spots are at the furthest point from the mall store entrances ...nobody ever seems to park out that far so this would be the smart play for gm to follow suit...

    Recharging stations at malls in distant spots to improve mall traffic and the consumer charging wait experience...
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    Re: GM and Bechtel plan to build thousands of car charging stations across the US

    I can hardly wait for this to "not work"..................

    What do we think the charged rate will be, I predict it'll be double, or local rates and a per-use "convenience fee"?

    As someone that bought a Volt 5 years ago (almost to the day) I remain skeptical; it hasn't played-out, the math doesn't work.

    I was on an industry call today and their prediction was 89% of the cars in 2030 will still have an ICE.
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    Re: GM and Bechtel plan to build thousands of car charging stations across the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    I can hardly wait for this to "not work"..................

    What do we think the charged rate will be, I predict it'll be double, or local rates and a per-use "convenience fee"?

    As someone that bought a Volt 5 years ago (almost to the day) I remain skeptical; it hasn't played-out, the math doesn't work.

    I was on an industry call today and their prediction was 89% of the cars in 2030 will still have an ICE.
    We await to see how your prophecy plays out

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    Re: GM and Bechtel plan to build thousands of car charging stations across the US

    I was thrilled to see this announcement earlier today and not completely unexpected. I’ve been saying that if GM is going to jump further into EVs with both feet then it’s critical to have a vast charging network ready to go.

    However, I can’t help but wonder if they shouldn’t just put charge kiosks at select GM dealerships. They already have the infrastructure/locations. Open 24/7 with a lounge, clean bathrooms and maybe a kitchenette and vending machines...if I’m on a road trip, I don’t want to hang around a mall or shop’n’rob while I charge. I’d want somewhere to chill, use the facilities and have a quick snack. Plus it wouldn’t hurt to have owners of other makes kill time by looking around at GM vehicles. Maybe this thinking is too obvious and simplistic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    I can hardly wait for this to "not work"..................

    What do we think the charged rate will be, I predict it'll be double, or local rates and a per-use "convenience fee"?

    As someone that bought a Volt 5 years ago (almost to the day) I remain skeptical; it hasn't played-out, the math doesn't work.

    I was on an industry call today and their prediction was 89% of the cars in 2030 will still have an ICE.
    We await to see how your prophecy plays out
    Why would anyone not want this to work? This is great news. And GM getting into the construction industry.. Interesting
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    Re: GM and Bechtel plan to build thousands of car charging stations across the US

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    We await to see how your prophecy plays out
    Go back and see what was said when the Volt came out..................... "Gamechanger"



    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    Why would anyone not want this to work? This is great news. And GM getting into the construction industry.. Interesting

    Spend $2.00 to save a $1.00..............

    Like I said, I can hardly wait for this to "not work"..............
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    Spend $2.00 to save a $1.00..............

    Like I said, I can hardly wait for this to "not work"..............
    Cool.. needed to wake to something negative and should have known I'd get my fill from your reply. I don't know what your hate for EV is.. or why.. but there are plenty of POSITIVE reasons for EV other than just saving that buck U have deflated to $.50.

    If one can build a vehicle that is more efficient in all way plus gives better performance right out the box.. why would anyone oppose the technological advancements? The price hike? While the Tesla models are not ones to call to answer the possibility of recouping purchase premiums via fuel savings alone.. a Bolt for instance could easily save an owner more money in fuel costs and maintenance versus a similar sized vehicle costing $4-5K less. Again I tout 4 V8s, 2 S/Ced, one V6 with over 305HP and a 4cyl Turbo. Let them say the Escala is coming, and there is an EV only version with with 400 range, 0-60 in 3.5 or below and a price tag of $100-110K.. My desire to have a CT6-V DIES immediately

    I remember reading an article on why the Volt is really dying.. it exclaims that the majority, by a huge margin, of owners of the Volt.. were constantly complaining that they were not using the gas in their vehicles at all.. some filled up when they got the car and two years had passed.. and the same gas was residing in the tank. And that is a car with a 40-53 mile range. The Bolt customer surveys showed that they were some of the happiest in the automotive purchasing world. Tesla, and now Rivian prove that the people want EVs. GM wold be a fool to not go in on this. I am also wondering, if the low maintenance costs of the Bolt was also a huge factor in them making the decision to start electrifying. Regular scheduled maintenance on this car is at 150K miles. Which suggests that dealer service reimbursements on warranty work is very LOW. Billions per year saved if that is in more vehicle. Again.. make me a Cadillac , with Cadillac style, on a chassis with 400 mile range and the performance of every damn "Hot EV" available.. and I'm good to go. If I'm a gearhead.. and that's my reason for hating EVs.. I can fiddle around for the next 40 years on the plethora of used pre-EV cars available.

    I bet someone's great-great grandfather back in 1902 said.. " I don't want no damn motorized vehicle... I give up my horse when they pry it from between my cold dead thighs"
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    Re: GM and Bechtel plan to build thousands of car charging stations across the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    ... I was on an industry call today and their prediction was 89% of the cars in 2030 will still have an ICE.
    At first, when I read this, I thought it might be on the pessimistic side. But, with many new EV models not being introduced until the mid '20s and the longevity of ICE-powered vehicles being built now, 89% might be very realistic.
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    Re: GM and Bechtel plan to build thousands of car charging stations across the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    Go back and see what was said when the Volt came out..................... "Gamechanger"
    Chevy Volt was indeed a "gamechanger". But thanks (or no thanks) to GM's marketing dweebs, even space aliens couldn't figure out what exactly that was supposed to mean!

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    Re: GM and Bechtel plan to build thousands of car charging stations across the US

    Charging stations at the far reaches of a mall will work out IF there is a shuttle. I suggest a self-driving electric shuttle.

    And only if, because if there's one thing the automobile has done for humanity is make us far lazier. Any of us can sit in a parking lot today and watch someone cruise for several minutes to grab a spot that's five spots from the closest to the store, rather than eight or nine spots out. So no, 'lektrik zerozerozero people are not going to suddenly and miraculously become mall walkers and park 5-10 minutes out so they can Save The Earff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    I can hardly wait for this to "not work"..................

    What do we think the charged rate will be, I predict it'll be double, or local rates and a per-use "convenience fee"?

    As someone that bought a Volt 5 years ago (almost to the day) I remain skeptical; it hasn't played-out, the math doesn't work.

    I was on an industry call today and their prediction was 89% of the cars in 2030 will still have an ICE.
    About 90% sounds pretty realistic, barring federal I-know-better-than-you interference.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbukukanyau View Post
    We await to see how your prophecy plays out
    It's not HIS "prophecy." It's industry insiders projection/prediction.

    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    Why would anyone not want this to work? This is great news. And GM getting into the construction industry.. Interesting
    Why would anyone not agree with everything you say? Because, that's why.

    It's one thing if electrics evolved through the market. It's another if all-knowing all-seeing all-controlling government entities shove this stuff down the consumers' throats. There's a difference, not everyone wants to fall into line and be told what to do and what to buy and what to drive. Or what to NOT drive, but just hop in for the ride, take some acid and enjoy the zero-zero-zero-zeroIQ experience.

    BTW, none of those zeros will pan out outside of Mary's mind, but it's fun to make stuff up and have worshipful hordes cheer maniacally--see Occasiona-Cortex's inane pronouncements for a good example--because they're driven by emotion and belief, not by information and thought.

    If electrics turn out the be Nirvana, that's fine. The market will evolve in that direction. But some of us are not in that clique just yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    Cool.. needed to wake to something negative and should have known I'd get my fill from your reply. I don't know what your hate for EV is.. or why.. but there are plenty of POSITIVE reasons for EV other than just saving that buck U have deflated to $.50.
    Where did I say I "hate" EV's? Why can't you look at it as a positive; ICE lives on; is that a bad thing?


    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    If one can build a vehicle that is more efficient in all way plus gives better performance right out the box.. why would anyone oppose the technological advancements? The price hike? While the Tesla models are not ones to call to answer the possibility of recouping purchase premiums via fuel savings alone.. a Bolt for instance could easily save an owner more money in fuel costs and maintenance versus a similar sized vehicle costing $4-5K less. Again I tout 4 V8s, 2 S/Ced, one V6 with over 305HP and a 4cyl Turbo. Let them say the Escala is coming, and there is an EV only version with with 400 range, 0-60 in 3.5 or below and a price tag of $100-110K.. My desire to have a CT6-V DIES immediately
    "a Bolt for instance could easily save an owner more money in fuel costs and maintenance versus a similar sized vehicle costing $4-5K less"

    "costing $4-5K less" You are off............ by a lot.

    A ICE car the size of the Bolt, doesn't burn a lot of gas, the cost difference is great, even with subsidies; the payoff is infinite.

    In my 2 years and just shy of 20,000 miles in our Cruze, I spent just over $1,000 in gasoline, I would have spent roughly $750 in electricity for the Volt, plus another ~$200 in gas in the Volt, because I drove more on some days, it was really hot or really cold and the battery wasn't enough; the beauty of the Volt, the car GM just discontinued..........



    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    I remember reading an article on why the Volt is really dying.. it exclaims that the majority, by a huge margin, of owners of the Volt.. were constantly complaining that they were not using the gas in their vehicles at all.. some filled up when they got the car and two years had passed.. and the same gas was residing in the tank. And that is a car with a 40-53 mile range. The Bolt customer surveys showed that they were some of the happiest in the automotive purchasing world. Tesla, and now Rivian prove that the people want EVs. GM wold be a fool to not go in on this. I am also wondering, if the low maintenance costs of the Bolt was also a huge factor in them making the decision to start electrifying. Regular scheduled maintenance on this car is at 150K miles. Which suggests that dealer service reimbursements on warranty work is very LOW. Billions per year saved if that is in more vehicle. Again.. make me a Cadillac , with Cadillac style, on a chassis with 400 mile range and the performance of every damn "Hot EV" available.. and I'm good to go. If I'm a gearhead.. and that's my reason for hating EVs.. I can fiddle around for the next 40 years on the plethora of used pre-EV cars available.
    Absolute Bull-POOP, provide links!

    If you drive; ~35 miles round-trip or ~35 miles one-way and can recharge at work, you can go for months on a tank of gas, the engine is in that narrow-criteria worthless, but what if you had a Bolt under those same circumstances; 80% of your battery-pack is also worthless and unnecessary, right?..............


    Quote Originally Posted by CMiatso DaBang View Post
    I bet someone's great-great grandfather back in 1902 said.. " I don't want no damn motorized vehicle... I give up my horse when they pry it from between my cold dead thighs"
    Great example; and how many DECADES, passed before a car was superior to the horse and buggy?



    Quote Originally Posted by rand49er View Post
    At first, when I read this, I thought it might be on the pessimistic side. But, with many new EV models not being introduced until the mid '20s and the longevity of ICE-powered vehicles being built now, 89% might be very realistic.
    Their thinking is "hybrid" which still has an ICE.....................

    Pure EV's are not the "answer" today, and may never be.............. Fuel Cell, now we might be getting somewhere........... (but still a LONG way off)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed753 View Post
    I can hardly wait for this to "not work"..................

    What do we think the charged rate will be, I predict it'll be double, or local rates and a per-use "convenience fee"?

    As someone that bought a Volt 5 years ago (almost to the day) I remain skeptical; it hasn't played-out, the math doesn't work.

    I was on an industry call today and their prediction was 89% of the cars in 2030 will still have an ICE.

    If they are well placed people will use them.

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